there's too much attention paid to religion
 

If people killed religion, would religion still kill people?

Think about it...

Sometimes I wonder if faith is worth it... Why do we have faith? We have faith to make us feel better about the world we live in. It lets us know, that though things are bad in this world, we shouldn't give up because we have something there for us, and a beautiful future awaiting after death. And that keeps people positive, which I have nothing against. But isn't the main reason why the world is doing so bad because of wars that were spawned by a difference in Religion? Isn't that why our economy is so horrible?

We have faith to think that, in order to get to this better place, we must behave as good people. Without religion, we'd have anarchy right?

Look at the middle east, all I see is anarchy, and religion is the cause. How does religion keep us acting like good servents, when we are killing our own people every day?

Religion fucking disgusts me. You're all fucking hypocrites.

No, we're not.

And you don't know what anarchy means. lol. Religion is NOT government and Christianity realizes this.

Christians realize this, the fore-fathers of America were Christians and that's why our simple laws don't include God, only the anthem included "Nation under God". Which atheists threw out the fucking window.

Christianity just states "God will punish those that break his rules on the earth in the afterlife." A democracy government states "We will punish law-breakers by means that are reasonably fair in accordance to the crime."

You're like, without Religion, anarchy exists!!1!11!

And if you REALLY wanted to look into it, you'd find that, it's a war between governments. Not Religion. Name ONE Religious war going on in the world right now?

There is none. Christians don't own the western governments but Islam rules the Middle-Eastern governments, so wars between the West and any other country ruled by Religion (fusion of church and state) is not a Religious war, no matter how much they want to think our government is attacking them because they worship 'Allah'..

I go to church rarely. If I ever do, I stop by McDonald's on the way and eat breakfast in the back row during sermon.

I don't ever go to church. What's your point?

Umm, ok. Lebanon vs. Israel you fucking moron. It's all influenced by Religion and religion is a cause for it

I wasnt sayin my personal opinion you dumb shit

PEOPLE in fucking GENERAL think that there will be ANARCHY if religion does not exist.

I WONDER WHY!?!?!?!?!?!

Oohh maybe cuz people wouldnt feel they have a reason to behave good, so they will all act against the government, aka, anarchy you dumb fuck

Guess what, the Church invented laws. The church has a lot to do with government, but you're ignorant, and ignorance is bliss so keep being happy fucka

So in your belief, even though it's not true, Church invented government?

Just because the church is governed by laws, that doesn't mean it invented government. For example, China was without belief in a deity for a long time, yet they had entire structures of governments before deities existed in their culture. Today they are a string off of buddhism in their commercial belief system, but their government split from Emperors which were lead by the belief that China was the center of the earth and Heaven decreed their rulers which were a symbol of power.

But that's just my example.

If you want to know how American government came to be, that's a different story and example completely. The government has laws to abide by which prevent the destruction of government, America's government was based on the bible thus to prevent totalitarianism, it installed the ability for the citizens to break down the government Bit by Bit and restart from scratch.

The problem with modern America? They don't know or think they have this right, and if they keep not knowing or thinking it, they will lose the availability to do it. I think America will end before Americans change their government, truthfully.

But as of now, breaking laws comes with a punishment. Attacking people results in retaliation. Attacking the government results in retaliation via whichever method seems appropriate, including jailing to execution via court or execution via immediate action..

You're also wrong about the Lebanese and Israeli war. Israel isn't made up 100% of Judaism believer and consists a lot of Arabs too. It is a multi-Religious state and so is Lebanon, although I think Lebanon mostly consists of Islamic. I'm not sure, but what I do know is that Lebanon proceeded with military tactics to get what it wanted for its' government, and thus Israel was pissed and retaliated, resulting in a lot of bombing and killing.

That has absolutely nothing to do with Religion, except that Lebanon most likely considers Israel a wrongful state because the U.S. set up Israel as a state, and most Middle Eastern countries think they deserve the land of Israel. Though all of that is a Religious war in magnitude, it's between countries which have a fusion of church and state versus Israel, which is not a country that has a fused church and state.

Shit if Israel was a Church and State fused country, they wouldn't even exist. They don't believe in soldiers or any of that shit. They woulda never been able to FIGHT lebanon, God would fucking merk Israel for that kinda foul play.

Get your facts straight biatch.

religions bullshit...


trust in god not the word of man......

WTF do you know bout the war of Israel and Lebanon? I have a Lebanese step dad and step brother, and a lebanese step mom, my dad is Jewish, I got lebanese step cousins. For fucking 5 years all i've ever heard bout discussed at the dinner table is the stupid fucking wars of Lebanon, Palestine and Israel

Dawg, if you say Religion doesn't have a single thing to do with it, you're fucking stupid. I can explain to you the entire history and causes behind the war, but I really don't feel like typing as much as you do.

And I didn't say Religion invented government, I said they had things to do with eachother, so all that shit you wrote to prove me wrong ended up being worthless cuz you made a worthless assumption as to what I was trying to say

Word to Baphomet though. I believe in God, not the image man gave god.

"the Church invented laws."

but yeah i just assumed, you're right

and if you can prove your point by explaining what Religion has to do with the Lebanon - Israel war that blew some years ago, then do it. Let's see how much Religion actually has to do with it at all. Considering Israel isn't governed by Religion. Let's fucking see. Yet you have the fucking gull to call me dumb.

You're a fucking cock blower, dude.

you're a fucking idiot. How bout you go and fucking read on it instead of asking me, you'll find out a lot more about how ignorant you are that way.

LOL I READ ABOUT IT WHEN IT FIRST HAPPENED. but OKAY.

"information on the Lebanon Israel war" - googled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_I...ebanon_conflict

first link. a Wikipedia.

"The conflict began when Hezbollah militants purposely fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence."

... Why did they do that?
"Hezbollah continued cross border attacks, and used the tactic of seizing soldiers from Israel as leverage for a prisoner exchange in 2004,[41] though it also continues to call for Israel's destruction."

^ So I was right. It wants Israel destroyed.

http://www.lgic.org/en/Israel-terrorism-on-lebanon.htm

THAT site says Lebanon consists of:

Christians, Muslims, Druzes & Jews

Which is funny 'cuz so does ISRAEL, which isn't governed by a specific RELIGION, like Lebanon may or may NOT be.

now, to further find out why the Lebanese created the militant diversion attack:

"Hezbollah (LEBANON MILITARY GROUP) named the attack "Operation Truthful Promise" after leader Hassan Nasrallah's public pledges over the prior year and a half to seize Israeli soldiers and swap them for four Lebanese held by Israel:"

"Nasrallah claimed that Israel had broken a previous deal to release these prisoners, and since diplomacy had failed, violence was the only remaining option.[46] Nasrallah declared: "No military operation will return the Israeli captured soldiers…The prisoners will not be returned except through one way: indirect negotiations and a trade of prisoners.""

Now, what did your family tell you from Lebanon? Something different?

It was 100% government. You penis popper..

They should make a church video game.

LMFAOO!!!!!!!!!!!


HAAHAHAH!!!! LEBANON IS RAN BY ISLAMICS!!!! HAHAHAHaHAHA

No wonder you're stupid fuck ass thinks it's a Religious war.

Lebanon thinks Israel shouldn't exist because Lebanon is ran by Shit''ites! lmfao!!!!!

Plurality rules Lebanon. Lmfao. So it's Religious because your dumbass prick muslim family thinks Israel shouldn't exist and attacks Israel. When Israel responds it is NOT religious because Israel doesn't fight for Religious reasons. And you fought with me over this?

haha. eat a dick.

lebanon should be nuclear bombed...

that would put a smile on my face.

Lol you used Wikipedia as your source?

Wait wait, you googled it when the war first happened?

Dude... you weren't even born when the war first happened

Fucking wow man, that right there shows how much of a fucking idiot you are. When I said read bout it, I didn't mean off of wikipedia you moron.

Musta struck a cord eh, you seem really mad ahahahaha

Get a fucking clue you moron "I googled it when it first happened" LMFAOO

yeaaa, with your lap top in your moms womb?

aww man, you really are a joke to have to make a seperate thread just to get my attention lmfao

Oh and by the way Mr. I make assumptions to look smart

My lebanese step familly.... they're Christians. Lmfao, man, you are one stupid fuck aren't you?

And your quote? Yea, I said the war of PALESTINE, Lebanon, and Israel.

You fucking IDIOT lmfao. Lebanon fought with PALESTINE and have been for fucking YEARS and the war was started over land and religon.

And you weren't born in 1948 were you? So once again, you were wrong by saying you googled it when it first happened.

Man, READ SON READ


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

USA & Canadia = Continental Tag Team of the World.

No. I read about the war before Wikipedia but you asked for me to read about it so I did, and brought my sources here.

:| you were sigged for idiocy btw

edit: oh wait you edited it out

that's ok i fucked up eminem's first CD release date on time.

It's just that I was off by a couple of years. you were off by... centuries.

umm, no I wasn't, because I clearly said a war between PALESTINE, Israel, and Lebanon.

Guess what buddy? The war between Lebanon and Palestine? It's been going on for a loooong time

lmfaoo

READ

And I edited that other post some more to make you look even more stupid, you should check it out

How is that true when Palestine is an Arab state?

Why would Arabs fight Arabs over the right to Arabic things?

=o

sounds to me like you're running out of truth.

There's only one war and that's the war between Lebanon and Israel. Before that, Israel was a country of internal strife that many different empires had leadership over, most recently before Israel, it was simply conflicting regions of people fighting over land and government, before Great Britain's empire took it over and later Israel claimed independence. =)

So therefore if you're making me look like an idiot, you're doing a terrible fucking job..

the war between Israel and Lebanon is not Religious from the standpoint of Israel.

Israel is fighting Lebanon for the right to existence,
Lebanon is causing bullshit with Israel because it has a problem with Israel's existence.

Hardly a war of Religions. It's a war of governments. One government (the one your family lives in) just happens to be Muslim consisted.

i meant the war between Palestine and Israel not palestine and Lebanon. But either way, you know nothing about that. So, once again, go read. :)

you're a genius. sigged.

You think Palestine and Israel never had a war? I don't know why you'd sig that

LMFAOFAMSLFMASLFMA you think Palestine and Isreal is the exact same thing huh? AHAHAHAHAHAH omfggg you're an idiot

you act lik the leaders of the countrys that start the wars are religious,wars are started over greed and power.

In the broad geographical sense, Palestine refers to an area that includes contemporary Israel and the Palestinian territories, parts of Jordan, and parts of Lebanon and Syria.[1][2] In the narrow sense, it refers to the area within the boundaries of the former British Mandate of Palestine (1920-1948) west of the Jordan River.

A direct quote from the site you get all your information from, the lovely Wikipedia :thumbup:

Now, how about you research the Entire conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis back to how it was derived centuries ago, and then come talk to me when you've been enlightened, you dumb country hick.

SWEET HOME ALABAMA!!! MAMA IM COMING HOME TO YOU!!!

"In the narrow sense, it refers to the area within the boundaries of the former British Mandate of Palestine (1920-1948) west of the Jordan River."

All territories in the british mandate west of the jordan river in modern times = all of Israel land. But of course, you didn't read enough to figure that out. The only water that information holds is that Israel was larger under the British Mandate as the state of Palestine, and because of this, modern Arabics within those Regions call themselves Palestinians.

but again, of course, you also wouldn't understand this because 2 and 2 makes 2 2 you =)

So the war between Palestine and Israel = nonexistent.

Lollllllll @ you trying to school me here

seep you're just so smart.

Bro, I don't need to look back centuries you bloody ignorant, arrogant oblivious, pompous dickheaded MORON.


ISRAEL IS A COUNTRY. YOU CAN'T LOOK BACK CENTURIES TO SEE A WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND PALESTINIANS WHEN ISRAEL WAS CREATED IN 1948. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD.

JESUS CHRIST

Um, I said the war was derived through conflicts that go back centuries ago. Which all Israeli and Lebanese people know, but obviously not a country hick :)

Funny why pages and pages of your favorite site wikipedia talk about "the conflict between Israel and Palestine"

Maybe you shoud read bout it huh?

www.google.ca

"the conflict between Israel and Palestine"

Enlighten yourself, bye now :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...tinian_conflict




............. So where's the war between Palestine (Israel) and Israel I quoted you in?

Huh?

Oh yeah that's right there isn't one.

.umm isreal use to be a country centuries ago then it got destroyed then it was recreated in 1948 just for the record, your lack of knowledge is amazing.

What's your point big man? What does the Region of Israel have to do with the State of Israel?

the Land of Israel was 'destroyed' you so put it when other countries took up their land and eventually eradicated the country completely, but never removed the relatives to the area.

due to this constant strife and war is what led to modern Israel, which was not RECREATED in 1948, recreation is a far off term from simply establishing a modern day state of Israel.

It's not very big if you haven't noticed. Lol.

so where's my lack of knowledge again? The fact that you thought I was talking about the ancient Israel that was merked long, long ago and overrun?

That's part of the problem, yes, but not at all what I was referring to when I said what I said to JTR. Israel cannot fight Palestine because Palestine and Israel are the same fucking place. Lol.

^^ lmfao, don't even bother man. He gets all his info read off of Wiki and figures he's a genius on the topic even though he missed about 20 other pages of meaningless bullshit and left out information that Wiki offers

I'm done arguing, because you're so fucking ignorant you can't have an arguement with someone who knows nothing about wtf they're talking about

So instead of trying to stick up for your case, you're throwing it out the window and saying I don't know what I'm talking about.

Of course, you can't prove that. It's okay. Walking away makes you the bigger man..



Sad thing is we're not in a fist fight.. This is logic. Walk away, loser.

Man, you're so fucking stupid if you think Palestinians never faught Israelis. Wow man, they threw fucking rocks at Israelis in the war cuz they didn't even have money to buy weapons. Palestinians wanted the land back that Jews "stole" from them

Personally I don't know why they didn't just give the Palestinians back their fucking bombed and ruined land. Let them have their land and build their fucking bungalos and stop the war, who gives a shit

Man, just shut the fuck up.

You think fucking Palestinians are Jews? You think Palestine has forever been solely Israel and no other regions?

Man, I can't do this anymore

You're right and i'm wrong, have fun living as a fucking moron

^^^ THAT is why im walking away

roflmao. Aw, don't be like that, you don't even realize that you don't make sense, but I'm the moron.

Palestinians from the land of Palestine are NOT Jews. They are from Palestine because as I also said, Palestine was an ARABIC state before strife and Britain moved in. Remember? No you don't, your attention span is abou- gone

an Israeli is from Israel.

"You think Palestine has forever been solely Israel and no other regions?"

I already said it fuck-for-brains. lmao. Palestine was much bigger and when Israel was established, the people of Palestine weren't part of Israel but were Arabic and hated Israel as a country because it was against their Religion. Of course Palestine had other Regions.

And yes, I'm right and you're wrong.

Exacly which is why they had conflicts and wars and why the palestinians threw rocks at them.

You're so fucking stupid it's amazing

It's only amazing because you label something you can't grasp stupidity.

So tell me more about this war between Palestine and Palestine.

I'm interested in the Israel Israel war.

Honestly. You caught my attention earlier.

yo jtr check this video out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_OHAlh3UDw

the war is pretty hectic right now

FREE PALESTINE!! DEATH TO ISRAEL!!! PRAISE ALLAH AND ASALAMALAKUM TO MY MUSLIM BROTHERS!!!!

Look it up you fucking dumb ass mother fucker. You just fucking said it yourself, that they faught against Israel for right of Land

if that's not a war, then you're not an idiot.

Guess what? you're an idiot :D