michael jackson died of food poisening?
 

appparantly he ate a 3 year old weenie..lol

I've warned you all about the danger of being arrogant in the face of something of this nature...

and it is arrogance...because what it is, essentially, is judgment being passed on someone who has gone back to his maker...

that effectively puts you in the position of trying to be God...and God, as indicated many times throughout history and example, will not tolerate any challenges to His authority or sovereignty.

Again, if you boast or gloat over someone who has fallen or in this case, even death, God's anger will come your way. I've warned you. Take it as you want.


Don't do it.



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i anger god says the gay guy..and im tying be god and challenging him?lol wtf..where did u get all that, all i did was say a joke..
at least more children are safe for fuck sake..

fuck q and his religious babble

i'm atheist.. i'd like to see a God that I don't believe exists bring his wrath down on me

something created everything,
but anyway lets just keep this thread about micheal jackson..

In due time my dude. Lol. Just cuz you don't understand or don't believe something don't mean its not there...shit I can say I don't believe in oxygen, I can't see oxygen so you gonna let me tell you oxygen don't exist? You probably just like every other atheist I've seen, in the midst of a tragedy or some shit going down the first words is "oh my god" lol. People stop or don't believe in god cuz he don't make the world magical and come to the rescue everytime somethin happens,do u honestly think we deserve help lol humans do some fucked up shit.

Anyways, that debate will go on till the world ceases to exsist so uhhhh RIP My dude michael jackson.

^^yeah.. i think people say they dont believe in god cuz theyre mad at him somehow..
or not happy in life so they have to blame it on something.
if people just understood the bible,youd understand why things are the way they are.

Not really. I've lost several family members and never been like "oh my god" at all. But more to the point, if I don't believe there is a god - how can God punish me? If some invisible force did something to me, you who believe would say it is God. I, however, would see it as something entirely different because I don't believe in God. That is the whole point.

I've never believed in God, not for a single second of my life. So, ultimately I fail to see how I can be mad at someone or something that I don't believe in now, nor have I ever believed in him in the past.

I'm not going to get into an argument though. People have their beliefs, I guess. And besides, every time I challenge the belief of God the fucking religious nuts never shut up about this and that and fucking anything they can think to convert me. FUCK YOU ALL!! :thumbup:

it states in bible all non believers will go to hell..
jesus even said it himself if your not working with me your working against me..and jesus is lord..

^ Again, that only applies to people who believe in God, Jesus.. the Bible and such. I believe in none of those things. I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, therefore I can't go there. It's an impossibility for a person to end up in a place they don't believe exists. Simple. I believe when you die, you die. That is the end of it for you. No afterlife. No nothing. And, I'm cool with that. I have no need to believe in something... anything beyond death. This is the only time I'll get, so I'm making the most of it day by day.

But word to people who do believe. I can respect that, its just not for me.

thats a retarded statement if i ever heard one.
noone really knows what happens when we die.u cant prove it one way or the other.hypothetically,if heaven n hell does exit,u not believing in it wouldnt save ur ass...

Atheists are ignorant. To doubt anything is ignorant, you might not believe there is a God out there, but to doubt the possibility is another thing.

so me doubting that child malestures are good people, makes me ignorant?

Doubts one of the best things the human race can do to help it rationalize complex situations.

Yeah, it is ignorant.

What if you got in a car accident and you were going to die unless removed from a burning vehicle and the person who saved you was a child molester? Does that make them a good or a bad person? I don't agree with child molestation, but how do you know those people don't have mental problems that we haven't discovered yet? That's definitely going out on a limb, but your rebuttal was childish and stupid. There is a difference between doubting something that is fact and known compared to something that nobody knows the real answer to, therefore making anything possible.

Really?

So if I don't believe in something.. I'm still going to end up there, right?In essence, that is what you are trying to say.

I guess that means you think Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny exist.. just because you don't believe in them.. doesn't mean Santa won't bring you a gift or the Easter Bunny won't hook you up with some chocolate eggs. Gimme a fucking break. You just made yourself look fucking retarded by your logic.

I don't doubt that there are people who believe God exists. So for some people, I guess... yeah, he does exist. But, I don't believe in a higher power or anything like that. To me, there is no God. How does that make me ignorant?

If anything, it plays back on people who do believe in God. That would make you ignorant for doubting that there might not be a God. After all, to doubt the possibility that there is no God, that makes you ignorant.

So congrats, I guess we're all ignorant.

No, Adam did not spew ignorant logic in this thread.

It's simply a misunderstanding of the semantics in regards to your beliefs that has caused all of this. You need your correct titling and better explanation for people to address you in an uncontroversial manner, fletch.

That's the only problem here.

he died from sniffing bleach actually

the bible states non believers will go to hell..just because you dont believe it it will happen doesnt mean it wont.gods in charge and u can go to hell

Lol, Michael was doing heroin.

His family's upset about that being in the report so they're going for a third autopsy. Apparently.

this response by u is even more retarded then ur first.now u're comparing religion to the fuckin easter bunny?rofl who over let's say 6 yrs old believes in the fuckin easter bunny dude? i'd say MOST ppl believe in god,regardless of what religion....there are billions trillions of ppl who believe in some sort of god,n athiests like yourself are minorities...

until we have ALL answers for this world u cant rule it out

so I'll repeat myself for the slow folk once again.if heaven n hell did exist,but u didnt believe in it while u were alive,after u died u'd still end up there....not believing would not just exempt u u moron...n i said hypothetically IF it did exist....read it over a few times genius before respondin with something retarded

heaven and hell eh? i believe you will always be in the same spot you are in now, but always tryin to better yourself until u reach a point of existance that matters. if you do go to hell, you made it, same with heaven. your are currently in those places right now. your existance is consistent. time is an illusion with purpose, everything you think happened or is gonna happen is currently happening. you have the choice every instance to create a better existance, and you should always be working towards that. love is happiness happiness is love- try and help others as you would like helped. get your shit together and help others do the same. ya dig

To save myself from posting multiple responses, this is really directed to both LatinKitten and Talksic. Clearly, they are both missing the point I am trying to make.


I do not believe in Heaven or Hell, therefore it is impossible for me to end up there. Why? Because wherever I end up after I die, it can't be a place I don't believe exists. It would have to be something else, another existence.

It is simple really. I don't give a fuck what you religious people believe. In your mind, if I do bad shit, I'll be in Hell. Yes? It don't make a difference what YOU believe. If I end up in some cavernous pits surrounded by fire with a horned dude stabbing me with a pitchfork. It WILL NOT be Hell to me. Why? Because I don't believe in Hell. It would be something completely different.

Where you end up in the afterlife is different for people with different beliefs. If a Christian and an Atheist both led good lives, and both went to the same place when they died. Lets say the place was full of white fluffy clouds. To the Christian, he would be in heaven. To the atheist, he would be in whatever he believes the place to be.

So, who's the fucking moron now? I believe LatinKitten is really. Sure, you would call it Heaven. I'd call it something else.

Here's a simple example of looking at the point I am trying to make. If you took Santa Claus.. and before you start saying "who the fuck was talking about santa you moron" just fucking listen you ignorant grease whore. Take Santa Claus... now if you got two people.. one believed it was Santa Claus.. another believed it was some faggot in a red suit with a beard. That is the same concept. They are both staring at the same person, but one believes the person to be one thing.. another believes the person to be a different thing.

So, you see Heaven as Heaven. I see it as something else.. or in lamens terms.. NOT HEAVEN!! Now do you get me? Or will you continue to be ignorant towards the point I am trying to put to you as simply as fucking possible.

..so the moral of the story is,if u ended up in hell,even tho u didnt believe in it,u would just call it something else to be a rebel...like a "bad place" rofl

thanks for provin my point dude....tiz all

p.s. i stopped readin about halfway through lol

Why do people have to insult deceased people just because assumptions were made. Mike never touched a kid in his life the way media portraits. It was some dumb family on a get rich quick trip that told their kid to say that and others were like you mean we can get money?

if you want my honest opinion i think der is something up deep in the skys a place dat we all reuinite when we're gone... i think we're like messengers of, god really someone who created us... thats why we have fate, i believe in that 2 a certain dregree cuz shit dont aways work out as planned do they... it's very weird.. lifes like recycling... it doesnt ever end.. when i get more ideas on how we got here i'll explain dem cuz i have a rough idea.. we're just like any other nature thing on dis plannet..

teach me everything technique.

lmfao 2v i love you. . . . . .no homo

If the point you was trying to make was that you are a moron and took so long to grasp the simplest of things that I was explaining to you... then yeah, I guess I did prove your point.

p.s. human psychology 101.. when you realise you've been defeated, you try to play it off with a childish shot like "whatever, i didn't even read all that" when secretly you did. or like "you just proved my point" when really you've just realised I was right all along. there are several other variations of responses, those were just the two you used. its basically anything to divert the topic or bring it to an end without formally acknowledging that you were wrong and/or stupid.

congratulations, idiot. :thumbup:

p.p.s. don't even waste your time trying to come back at that, because you've subliminally admitted your defeat.. so I have no further interest in this discussion. good day. :laugh:

Fletch just subliminally admitted his defeat.... according to his own logic.

Besides, the entire argument was stupid as shit and took a turn for the worst when people who do not know how to define beliefs by using a simple title took the stage to debate.

I could have easily majorly butted in but I just sat back and watched.

Then again there's a lot of things I could say on this site that I don't say...

well I'ma go check my RIP thread.

couldnt have worded it it better myself.

and he still doestnt get it, ALL NON BELIEVERS WILL GO TO HELL..U CAN END UP THERE.
CUZ THATS WHAT HAPPENS TO NON BELIEVERS..how do u not understand simple logic.

And you just failed miserably at trying to use my own logic against me. I didn't admit defeat, simply because you can't admit defeat to a person who has just admitted defeat to you.

That's like a dude in a game of chess knocking over his King to grant victory to the other guy, who in return knocks his down and tries to admit his own defeat. It's fucking redundant.

Nice try though.

That's what you believe, not me.

I don't believe in life after death, no Heaven, no Hell.

Open your eyes son. There is no Hell. There is no Heaven. When we die, we die and are cremated or put in the ground. There we remain. There is no existence after death. This is my belief. So, you will not go to Heaven.. I don't give a fuck what you believe.. I am an atheist, so therefore according to what I believe in... you will rot in the ground or become ash.

Congratulations.

"my point is that u proved my point that is all"

then

"SO YOUR POINT IS THAT YOU'RE A MORON? HERES SOME PSYCHOLOGY, CHANGING THE SUBJECT OR SAYING "I DIDNT READ IT" OR SOMETHING ELSE IN ORDER TO BRING THE TOPIC TO AN END IS JUST ADMITTING DEFEAT. YOURE AN IDIOT. DONT EVEN WASTE YOUR TIME, YOU ADMITTED DEFEAT. I HAVE NO FURTHER INTEREST IN THIS DISCUSSION. HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY"

2v: "that's reverse logical"

same guy who 2v said something about:
"YOU FAILED MISERABLY. I DIDN't ADMIT DEFEAT. 'CUZ SHE DID. LOOOL"

when in reality 100% of psychology is hypothesis.

Maybe you just don't know what psychology is :0

have a wonderful day

I never said what I believe in, but I did say that doubting anything was ignorant. I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to get across.

I believe in the possibility of a higher power or who knows, maybe an equal power, but there was definitely something that starting everything and what started that? Who knows..?

I believe that religions are fucking retarded, one could be right, I won't count that possibility out, but I think they are used more so to control people or as a crutch for the lonely and unintelligent.

As John Lennon said..

You say you found Jesus Christ
He's the only one
You say you've found Buddha
Sittin' in the sun
You say you found Mohammed
Facin' to the East
You say you found Krishna
Dancin' in the streets

Well there's somethin' missing in this God Almighty stew
And it's your mother (your mother, don't forget your mother, lad)
You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do it for you
You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do it for you
Well you may believe in devils and you may believe in lords
But if you don't go out and serve yourself, lad, ain't no room service here

It's still the same old story
A bloody Holy War
A fight for love and glory
Ain't gonna study war no more
A fight for God and country
We're gonna set you free
We'll put you back in the Stone Age
If you won't be like me - get it?

You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do for you
You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do for you
Well you may believe in devils and you may believe in lords

'But Christ, you're gonna have to serve yourself and that's all there is to it.
So get right back here it's in the bloody fridge. God, when I was a kid.
Didn't have stuff like this, TV-fuckin' dinners and all that crap.
You fuckin' kids are all the fuckin' same! Want a fuckin' car now...
Lucky to have a pair of shoes!'

You tell me you found Jesus Christ
Well that's great and he's the only one
You say you just found Buddha
Sittin' on his ass in the sun
You say you found Mohammed
Kneeling on a bloody carpet facin' the East
You say you found Krishna
With a bald head dancin' in the street ('Well, Christ, now you're
being heard')

You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do for you
You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do for you ('that's right, lad, you better get that straight
into your fuckin' head')
You got to serve yourself ('you know that, who else is gonna do it for you, it
ain't me I tell you that')
Well, you may believe in Jesus, and you may believe in Marx
And you may believe in Marks and Spencer's and you may believe in bloody
Woolworths
But there's something missing in this whole bloody stew
And it's your mother, your poor bloody mother ('she worked for you in the
back bedroom, full of piss and shit and fuckin' midwives. God, you can't
forget that awful moment, you know. You should have been in the bloody
war, lad, and you would know all about it. Well, I'll tell you something.')

It's still the same old story
A Holy bloody War, you know, with the Pope and all that stuff
A fight for love and glory
Ain't gonna study no more war
A fight for God and country, and the Queen and all that
We're gonna set you free
Bomb you back into the fuckin' Stone Age
If you won't be like me, you know, get down on your knees and pray

Well there's somethin' missing in this God Almighty stew
And it's your goddamn mother you dirty little git, now
get in there and wash yer ears!

the basic meaning of religon is that there is right and wrong...everythign else is just peoples attempt to twist how and what is right and wrong.

s'long as you belivie in your heart you doing right, then there is no wrong...

simple as that

So if Micheal Jackson believed in his heart that he should be "molesting" children, that's not wrong?

let me rephrase what cd said

as long as you believe that everything is right, then there iz no wrong. :crazyeye: :lol2: :up: :banghead: :shocked: :Offtopic: