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Tha Q. 10-27-09 09:35 AM

Adam...step in sir...you have a date with fate
 
In my day, I've witnessed to, and come across all types of unbelievers...people who have rejected God...mocked him...agnostics...people who simply don't know what to believe...

But, seldom have I crossed paths with someone so hardened as you...

I actually sought God on this one...and here's what I believe is the deal...

(Lord, I pray that you guide my words and make Adam's heart receptive to what you are telling Him.)


Listen...

God himself has hardened your heart the way it is...As odd as that may seem...It's for a purpose...

Usually when someone is as stiff-necked and rebellious toward God as you, it indicates deep hurt that the person has experienced in life, either at the hands of someone else, or what they perceive is a slight by God himself...

in essence, you are blaming God for some unfortunate event(s) in your life.

Well...I am here to tell you that God has call on your life Adam...You KNOW the gospel...you KNOW the truth...now, God is calling you to return to Him...

Repent

Accept his son Jesus as your lord and savior and begin to finally live a life of true purpose...because without Christ, there is no true peace.

You can not fill that emptiness or void through drugs, sex, or any other ephemeral, tentative, or carnal means...Only letting God into your heart to heal those wounds can you truly begin to be the human being he's created you to be.


Right now...God is dealing with you harshly...You have rejected him...he has turned your heart cold...

But...even that's for a purpose...

God says that you will be a great ambassador for his kingdom...raking in souls and contending for the faith (the gospel of Jesus Christ)


Even so...I pray that God saves you...that he removes the stones from your heart and begin to fulfill his promise to save and deliver your soul.


I frankly don't care what this thread looks like...I KNOW you will read it. I KNOW God wanted me to witness to you by expressing these words. I KNOW that I have been obedient to the voice of God...

Now...I challenge and implore you...DO THE SAME.

Repent...Ask God to save you through Jesus Christ...RETURN to him...and truly begin to live.


God loves you.



pz.




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ichaboy 10-27-09 10:08 AM

Penis.


I repeat;

Penis.

WhoAmI 10-27-09 12:26 PM

holy shit Q went all out lol (my bad no pun intended lol)

Adam 10-27-09 12:57 PM

I don't blame God for unfortunate event(s) in my life, nor do I praise God for any event(s) that bring me joy in my life.

First off, I've never once denied the fact that there's a higher being out there, a creator, a "God" if you please. I don't doubt that there could be, it'd be ignorant and foolish to rule out any possibility of our existence. There was obviously a creator at one point, where and what it is, nobody will really know.

Is there an after life? Maybe. Will we understand how we came to be in it? Maybe. Is there a Heaven and Hell? I highly doubt it.

Religions are the biggest hoaxes out there. It sickens me that there's a such a large majority of people that are so easily manipulated to changing their lives around what somebody else is telling them to do through fear. I mean, this is what religion was banked on in the first place but as everything does, we're evolving and there is finally a larger amount of agnostics and atheists in this world.

You see, just because I don't look at the world through the tunnel that you are doesn't mean that there's a void in my heart. To be honest I've never been happier then the state I'm currently in for years.

Think about what you're really following and tell me if it meets the criteria of a basket that you should put all your eggs in. You worship an invisible being that's chalked full of jealousy that will damn you to a life of eternal suffering in hell if you don't follow his every word. I guess that's what eternal love is, right?

We were giving this life to live..

Religious people praise themselves on not fearing death because they have a life of eternal happiness ahead of them... if they're right.

Now, what I do know is that I'm living right now and I actually have this life that I'm living and I'm capable of doing many things that I enjoy in it. Now why wouldn't I experience everything that I can while I'm still alive? "Because God is testing your faith to see if you'll accept Jesus and be granted to spend eternal bliss in the Kingdom of Heaven." Really? It's time to grow up, if your God created all these temptations for you to avoid, he's just a fucking asshole because you still won't be able to experience them in his kingdom.

Go enjoy your life, quit being afraid of living. If you decide not to, I hope there is a Heaven and I hope that you get there and when you realize that every single person up there has the same stupid dull personality and there's nothing exciting you'll realize that you missed out on bliss.

King Solo 10-27-09 04:36 PM

Adam wins.

Rats 10-27-09 05:22 PM

The diffrence between those who praise god and those who dont. Is the ones that dont.. dont care that you do and leave you to it. The ones that do praise god seem to allways get on there high horse and make it there mission to 'prove you wrong'. The way I see it if your content with YOUR beleif.. you have no reason to allways try prove to nonpraisers that your right.. you would just go about your day to day and be content with your beleif.

So my question is why do beleivers allways feel like they have to prove nonbeleivers wrong.. when the non beleiver isnt tryna attack your beleif.. he just doesnt care... just like you shouldnt care that he doesnt beleive.

feeeeeeeeeeeeel meeeee????

King Solo 10-27-09 06:04 PM

Okay, now Rats wins.

Cola 10-27-09 06:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rats
The diffrence between those who praise god and those who dont. Is the ones that dont.. dont care that you do and leave you to it. The ones that do praise god seem to allways get on there high horse and make it there mission to 'prove you wrong'. The way I see it if your content with YOUR beleif.. you have no reason to allways try prove to nonpraisers that your right.. you would just go about your day to day and be content with your beleif.

So my question is why do beleivers allways feel like they have to prove nonbeleivers wrong.. when the non beleiver isnt tryna attack your beleif.. he just doesnt care... just like you shouldnt care that he doesnt beleive.

feeeeeeeeeeeeel meeeee????



perfectly stated.

good show sir, good show.

ichaboy 10-27-09 08:41 PM

Actually that's not a good show at all,

because the believers believe that they are receiving eternal happiness after death, and that due to the goodness of their religion, that everyone on earth should get (pay very close attention to these next two words) the chance to receive it, by either accepting it or rejecting it with their spirits.

So when a believer comes up to a nonbeliever and says "Hey man I want to prove you wrong" it can be translated as "Hey man I want what I believe is best for you", which cannot be exactly retransmitted back as "Hey man you're fucking wrong, an idiot, and I just need to shut you up so please start a verbal fight with me ok"

King Solo 10-27-09 10:31 PM

^ And the bout suddenly becomes a three-way. No homo.

Cola 10-27-09 11:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ichaboy
Actually that's not a good show at all,

because the believers believe that they are receiving eternal happiness after death, and that due to the goodness of their religion, that everyone on earth should get (pay very close attention to these next two words) the chance to receive it, by either accepting it or rejecting it with their spirits.

So when a believer comes up to a nonbeliever and says "Hey man I want to prove you wrong" it can be translated as "Hey man I want what I believe is best for you", which cannot be exactly retransmitted back as "Hey man you're fucking wrong, an idiot, and I just need to shut you up so please start a verbal fight with me ok"



so imposing your views and getting pissed off when someone else doens't want to belivie them, but still preaching about acceptance of otheres, is ok...becuase its what they view as 'helping me'

when will the contradictions end??!

ichaboy 10-27-09 11:18 PM

'preaching the acceptance of others' does not = 'accepting that others should choose unhappiness and damnation'
'getting pissed off' does not = 'becoming distressed due to the belief that others will not receive the greatest joy in life'

the contradictions end and new ones begin when you get done understanding what I am done implying.

Tha Q. 10-27-09 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rats
The diffrence between those who praise god and those who dont. Is the ones that dont.. dont care that you do and leave you to it. The ones that do praise god seem to allways get on there high horse and make it there mission to 'prove you wrong'. The way I see it if your content with YOUR beleif.. you have no reason to allways try prove to nonpraisers that your right.. you would just go about your day to day and be content with your beleif.

So my question is why do beleivers allways feel like they have to prove nonbeleivers wrong.. when the non beleiver isnt tryna attack your beleif.. he just doesnt care... just like you shouldnt care that he doesnt beleive.

feeeeeeeeeeeeel meeeee????



If you saw a house on fire...but the occupants were unaware that a fire had broken out in their basement and was blazing toward the top part of the house where they were...would you not with fervor and passion attempt to "save" those unsuspecting people?

It's the same with sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ...we believe that Jesus is the only way to God...and the only way to true peace...It is an absolute...

Just because someone doesn't believe a truth doesn't negate the fact that it's true...

So, it's not about proving someone wrong...It's about reaching out to them because they are in danger of an eternal "fire"...


Oh...and btw PO...no one has won here except God himself because we're dialoging about his word...his intentions...and his plan of redemption (Jesus)....only one mad is the devil because he knows his time is short and he will lose his hold on Adam.



Praise God.




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Rats 10-28-09 12:32 AM

Your analogy is to vague.

Seems to me that they have a fire burning in a fire place to keep them warm and your running with a hose.. doucing there fire and killing there warmth.

Dabatos 10-28-09 12:45 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
If you saw a house on fire...but the occupants were unaware that a fire had broken out in their basement and was blazing toward the top part of the house where they were...would you not with fervor and passion attempt to "save" those unsuspecting people?

It's the same with sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ...we believe that Jesus is the only way to God...and the only way to true peace...It is an absolute...

Just because someone doesn't believe a truth doesn't negate the fact that it's true...

So, it's not about proving someone wrong...It's about reaching out to them because they are in danger of an eternal "fire"...


Oh...and btw PO...no one has won here except God himself because we're dialoging about his word...his intentions...and his plan of redemption (Jesus)....only one mad is the devil because he knows his time is short and he will lose his hold on Adam.



Praise God.




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fa sho..............

Tha Q. 10-28-09 01:33 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rats
Your analogy is to vague.

Seems to me that they have a fire burning in a fire place to keep them warm and your running with a hose.. doucing there fire and killing there warmth.




completely NOT what I said...I said the fire broke out in the lower level of the house and began to SPREAD to the upper level...

Since you want to mince words...let me make it plain...

We believe (that is, Christians) that if you don't have Jesus in your heart...you are not saved...and headed for eternal damnation in a REAL hell



God is merciful tho...and will give u a chance to accept his son Jesus...


do it today...will be the best decision you've ever made.



Only God can give a life meaning.

Rats 10-28-09 01:59 AM

ok.. I understand and 100% respect your point of view. But you will never respect a non beleivers point of view.. its there choice to not beleive... do you think your gonna save the world one non beleiver at a time? get a hobby.

_Talksic_ 10-28-09 04:39 AM

q ima pray for u,i was listening to td jakes the other day and it hit me,not that i support u being gay but, who is anyone to say that someone is going to hell or not thats gods choice, were all guilty of sin no ones perfect,and i respect what your trying to do.but honestly i really doubt god would have a gay prophet no dis respect.
just felt like i had to tell u that.

J.Roy 10-28-09 07:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rats
The diffrence between those who praise god and those who dont. Is the ones that dont.. dont care that you do and leave you to it. The ones that do praise god seem to allways get on there high horse and make it there mission to 'prove you wrong'. The way I see it if your content with YOUR beleif.. you have no reason to allways try prove to nonpraisers that your right.. you would just go about your day to day and be content with your beleif.

So my question is why do beleivers allways feel like they have to prove nonbeleivers wrong.. when the non beleiver isnt tryna attack your beleif.. he just doesnt care... just like you shouldnt care that he doesnt beleive.

feeeeeeeeeeeeel meeeee????



you ask to not be generalized yet you generalize, makes perfect sense.


Neither sides will ever agree full heartedly, thats why I myself, typically know when to not cross-certain boundries, people believe what they believe and it's hard to change people's views.

Tha Q. 10-28-09 09:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by _Talksic_
q ima pray for u,i was listening to td jakes the other day and it hit me,not that i support u being gay but, who is anyone to say that someone is going to hell or not thats gods choice, were all guilty of sin no ones perfect,and i respect what your trying to do.but honestly i really doubt god would have a gay prophet no dis respect.
just felt like i had to tell u that.



Your problem here is that you are equating what God is able to do with what you THINK I am...or what God has sustained me through.


Sorry my friend...if you are PRAYING for me...would God have a "fill in the blank" praying up to him? If you aren't GAY....you are a SOMETHING God hates...

but thanks be to GOd that he's given us his son Jesus who forgives and wipes the slate clean.

Truth is...I am called and chosen by God because that's God's will...and I am being obedient to Him and his word.

So...let your prayer be..."Father, continue to use him to do your will...Fill him with wisdom and give him the grace to represent you".


Otherwise...your judgments will be the ones you fall on. Your hypocrisy here is in thinking I'm not qualified to speak for God....WRONG...I am EXACTLY the type of person God uses...check the bible...Anyone God ever called to do anything great was a MESSED up person whom GOd chose, and subsequently changed, to do his will.

Moses = Murderer
King David = Murderer...adulterer...liar
Rahab...Prostitute...God used her to save his people when they were in flight
Solomon...Womanizer...adulterer


The list Goes on

Add 1...Tha Q...you fill in the blank....IT CAN'T STOP GOD....because with GOd...ALL THINGS are possible.

Gods ways are not OUR ways...he doesn't THINK or CHOOSE like we would.

Read 1 Samule 16 in the bible when he chose David...

No one gave him a chance but God.

Brotha...I am a child of God...and my gift is prophecy...You don't have to agree with it...You didn't give it to me...and you CAN'T take it away....But, be careful misrepresenting what God is capable of doing.

YOU wouldn't choose me...But Ha...Thank GOD that YOU are not God.






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Tha Q. 10-28-09 09:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rats
ok.. I understand and 100% respect your point of view. But you will never respect a non beleivers point of view.. its there choice to not beleive... do you think your gonna save the world one non beleiver at a time? get a hobby.




I respect your view...but it's an error.


THis generation believes in relatives...

But there is a right path and a wrong one...

Truth is...people believe in 90% of the nonsense they believe because there is no immediate consequence...

However, even a slight deviation from the true path can ultimately lead to death...

WHich, incidentally, the bible warns will be the path taken by unbelievers who hear God's word, and reject it...

God wants to give you a future and a hope...not harm you...
What's better than that?

Being friends with the creator of the universe.




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King Solo 10-28-09 01:12 PM

Yes.

God, if there is such a being, has a master plan. And it is to call upon his gay prophet to convert all the non-believers on rapverse.com. :rolleyes:

_Talksic_ 10-28-09 03:26 PM

If you aren't GAY....you are a SOMETHING God hates...
huh????????? are u serious?

Rats 10-28-09 03:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
I respect your view...but it's an error.


THis generation believes in relatives...

But there is a right path and a wrong one...

Truth is...people believe in 90% of the nonsense they believe because there is no immediate consequence...

However, even a slight deviation from the true path can ultimately lead to death...

WHich, incidentally, the bible warns will be the path taken by unbelievers who hear God's word, and reject it...

God wants to give you a future and a hope...not harm you...
What's better than that?

Being friends with the creator of the universe.




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I see what your saying.. but error according to who? So your saying if i was to be a unbeleiver.. yet was the most kind hearted.. caring.. giving.. human helping.. human saving.. money donating.. open doors for the needy..non sinning human.. (by my own morals) i would still go to hell because i didnt beleive in god?
You make god seem like a dictator.. like.. its my way or you shall burn forever...

ichaboy 10-28-09 04:15 PM

I demand that talksic and rats have gay anal buttsex right here and now so as to prove their loyalty to Christ.

Tha Q. 10-28-09 04:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Po
Yes.

God, if there is such a being, has a master plan. And it is to call upon his gay prophet to convert all the non-believers on rapverse.com. :rolleyes:



Satan always was...and is an accuser...and a liar

Have you given your life to Jesus Christ?





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Tha Q. 10-28-09 04:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by _Talksic_
If you aren't GAY....you are a SOMETHING God hates...
huh????????? are u serious?



Yes...referring to your judgment...

If you aren't gay...

then...that doesn't put you in any better standing with God...

The point is...EVERYBODY is a "something" God hates (sin wise)...

so...Jesus is the redemptive power that transforms a life...


In other words...don't get happy cuz the world doesn't "hate" your sin as much as if someone struggles with homosexuality...

In God's eyes...ur still a sinner saved by Grace.



Thank God for that




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Tha Q. 10-28-09 04:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rats
I see what your saying.. but error according to who? So your saying if i was to be a unbeleiver.. yet was the most kind hearted.. caring.. giving.. human helping.. human saving.. money donating.. open doors for the needy..non sinning human.. (by my own morals) i would still go to hell because i didnt beleive in god?
You make god seem like a dictator.. like.. its my way or you shall burn forever...



If God was a dictator...you wouldn't have a choice...but you do...

It's like a parent who raises a child...

You warn them of certain dangers...

THey have a choice...

even if they CHOOSE the "danger" path....that's their choice...

If they don't, it appears like control...like a Hobson's choice...but, there are absolutes is what I'm telling you...

Jesus is the only way to God...and the only absolute truth.



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Tha Q. 10-28-09 04:44 PM

Also...what are you all going to say to God on the day of judgment?

Scuse me God...but, the reason I didn't believe you, or accept Jesus in my heart is cuz the person who told me about you was Gay...

or smoked cigarettes

or told a lie

or cursed


or fornicated?


HUH?

You think God is going to give you a pass like "Yes my child...you may enter heaven now because even though the prophet I sent you was a sinner (like EVERYONE IN THE WORLD IS), you had a tough time looking past that"?????

NO.

Stop making excuses.


Salvation is a personal decision...

No one can pray you into heaven...and what someone ELSE does doesn't detract from your responsibilities to accept Jesus and love God...IF you choose to have eternal life and meaning in your present life.




Man up





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ichaboy 10-28-09 04:51 PM

Alright we're almost through christian boot camp

now you need to convince us that souls exist, that it's possible to think with your heart, that god created everything including evil but is somehow eternally loving, and that people in modern times who cannot see Jesus should still believe that Jesus is God in human flesh even though a percent of people who literally did see Jesus in the flesh did not believe he was God in human flesh.

:l

good luck see you in a while

Tha Q. 10-28-09 04:59 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ichaboy
Alright we're almost through christian boot camp

now you need to convince us that souls exist, that it's possible to think with your heart, that god created everything including evil but is somehow eternally loving, and that people in modern times who cannot see Jesus should still believe that Jesus is God in human flesh even though a percent of people who literally did see Jesus in the flesh did not believe he was God in human flesh.

:l

good luck see you in a while




lol...well, Im about to go read from these two new books I got from Borders today...great questions...and we'll be here forever answering them


OH...BTW...people, there's a difference between original sin "that is man's inherent separation from God by our sinful human nature"...and someone who practices sin...

You know...sin without resolve...


I don't practice sin...That's what qualifies anyone to be a spokesman for God...

#1...God has to call you...then choose you based on

#2...Your availability and willingness to serve him

#3...willingness to sacrifice...

I'm living under God's grace baby.

Don't hate...you can have joy and peace too...It comes through Jesus.

UGH


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Adam 10-28-09 05:17 PM

You have the mind of a weak child.

Rats 10-28-09 05:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
If God was a dictator...you wouldn't have a choice...but you do...

It's like a parent who raises a child...

You warn them of certain dangers...

THey have a choice...

even if they CHOOSE the "danger" path....that's their choice...

If they don't, it appears like control...like a Hobson's choice...but, there are absolutes is what I'm telling you...

Jesus is the only way to God...and the only absolute truth.



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what if they are not living a 'danger path' what if they are 'better humans' than some that beleive? Are they still wrong in the eyes of beleivers?

My question is: What if someone is a perfect human ( in the sense of the meaning) yet chooses not to beleive? Wil they still be walking down a danger path?

Rats 10-28-09 05:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Q.
Also...what are you all going to say to God on the day of judgment?

Scuse me God...but, the reason I didn't believe you, or accept Jesus in my heart is cuz the person who told me about you was Gay...

or smoked cigarettes

or told a lie

or cursed


or fornicated?


HUH?

You think God is going to give you a pass like "Yes my child...you may enter heaven now because even though the prophet I sent you was a sinner (like EVERYONE IN THE WORLD IS), you had a tough time looking past that"?????

NO.

Stop making excuses.


Salvation is a personal decision...

No one can pray you into heaven...and what someone ELSE does doesn't detract from your responsibilities to accept Jesus and love God...IF you choose to have eternal life and meaning in your present life.




Man up





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Ive noticed in other posts.. and correct me if Im wrong ( and I mean no disrespect with this) but your gay right? You lick the penis of another man (im not try na be funny, just breaking it down to the reality of what being gay means)
So who are you to try off load your 'rightous path' to otheres when your not living perfect yourself?

or is it as simple as you think the more people your convert and 'try save' the more you will be forgiven for your sins?

Im not tryna make fun of you, and I respect that you choose to be gay.. its just makes everything you say one big oxymoron.

ichaboy 10-28-09 06:07 PM

no no no, he clearly spoke about sacrifices.

he is giving up man's penis for god's penis.

Dabatos 10-28-09 06:07 PM

Hey rats, let me ask you something.

You watch porn right? Or no? You jack off right? You lust for women right? Hopefully not men. what about lie? You lie too? Have you ever hated someone? If the answer is yes, than you committed more sins than tha q is committing. He's gay, yes hes sinning. But who doesn't sin? I'm studying to become a Pastor. I love reading the Bible. Instead of just listening to christian music alone, i listen to sermons all day. I even write articles based ont he bible. but wait. I still sin. I at times can't resist watching porn. But i'm learning to stop watching that crap. I use to watch that crap every day etc.. now like every few months whenever I become weak? Yet, I received an amazingly strong calling to become a Pastor. Why would God choose me to become a Pastor even though I commit that sin? I still lie once in a while, i hate that I do lie but thats a sin too isn't it? I sin prolly everyday. Who doesn't? Everyone sins. You most likely sin more than Q alone. But anyway back to the subject. Even though I sin so much, God still chose me to lead a church and become a pastor? Is that possible? Yes. God does not see you for who you were, or who you are. God see's you for what you will become. So yes he's gay. But so, because of that he can't try his best to spread the word of God?!? Its like you saying some rappers are horrible. Yet you're horrible yourself. Do you have the right to judge others when you can't even do that specific things yourself? Don't hate because hes trying to do what he believes in and save others. You can continually hate what hes doing and try to put him down. But it will never stop him, me, or any other Christian that wants to spread the word of God. It comes with the job. But yeah Gay is against the Bible. But so is lying, sex before marriage etc.. We all sin. If we can't minister because we sin, than no one in the world should even think of ministering because everyoen is a sinner.

Phenom-in-all 10-28-09 06:11 PM

smoking cigarettes is a sin? damn....

Adam 10-28-09 06:28 PM

Notice how Christians always make exceptions to the rules and change the word of their God so that they can try and recruit more people to their little cults?

Stupid cunts.

Dabatos 10-28-09 06:44 PM

lol make exception's to rules? So someone that sins can't minister? If you are going to constantly sin purposely than of course you can't minister. You can't preach what you dont do. So what word did I change? please explain.

Young Kidd (LM) 10-28-09 06:51 PM

My question is this, if I do come before God when I die, and never accepted him into my heart but never let the devil take my heart. Then what happens?

Is God such a heartless being that if Adam, or Rats, or I were to die today but we were stand up citizens he would condemn us to hell for not saying that he is my God?

I live my life according to the morals (and common believes) set forth by law, not by a bible, even if they do happen to be one in the same.

Will God reject me because I don't go to church? or don't say God bless you at every sneeze, but my heart is pure in almost every aspect of Grand Sin? (not saying mine is.)

The thing I dislike about Christianity most is that there is a belief that God will condemn a man who doesn't believe in him but is probably the most upstanding citizen in the world the same he would condemn a Mass Murderer.

That right there just doesn't sit right with me.
Sure we all sin in our own way, and "in God's eyes no sin is greater than other" but are you telling me if i accept Jesus if i'm a murderer i can repent, but If premarital sex is my worst sin and I die i can't repent? If i don't say Jesus is my God now?

Why can't he look at me when I'm standing before him and Judge me on how I lived on my own an never "denied" as if I believed wholeheartedly and live the exact same life.


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