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Hiphopophobia

Rap music is homophobic, rap music is black, ergo black culture is homophobic - wrong on every count

Zoe Williams
Tuesday April 29, 2003
The Guardian

Caushun is a rap artist from Brooklyn, who releases this summer what he has called hip-hop's first gay album. This isn't strictly true (what about Deep Dickollective?), but it's certainly the case that his arrival is being widely described as a breakthrough in black culture. Hip-hop and rap are renowned for their anti-gay content, but there is a much more serious assumption floating around - that black culture as a whole is inherently homophobic.
You see it in news stories all the time, a thoughtless segue from "rap" to "black culture". And yet the evidence for homophobia in black culture is patchy at best, and the upshot of this supposition is to characterise that culture as less tolerant, less sophisticated and more primitive than its white equivalent.

This mistake is born out of one syllogism, one misconception and one silly error. To deal with those backwards, the silly error is this: where no one would ever define "white culture" solely by the views of its young straight men, there is a lazy tendency to do this with black culture. Young straight men tend to be the most homophobic demographic in any culture, since open-mindedness comes from self-confidence, which comes with age.

The misconception is a confusion between rap and reggae. Some reggae is homophobic - Bob Marley isn't, but modern artists such as Tok, Elephant Man and Beenie Man are. This music comes from Jamaica, which is also homophobic - it is one of three Caribbean countries with actively enforced laws against homosexuality.

This attitude arrived with British evangelists, as a direct component of their Christian message. All the homophobic laws date from the period of British governance. There is no evidence that Jamaica was preoccupied with same-sex sex before the arrival of the British. In fact, the only sustainable cultural generalisation that can ever be drawn about homophobia is that it proceeds as a direct result of religious fundamentalism.

The syllogism is straightforward - rap music is homophobic, rap music is black, ergo black culture is homophobic. If you look at the seminal black artists at the start of hip-hop, Public Enemy and Niggaz With Attitude, you won't actually find much homophobia. The only recorded homophobic lyric in Public Enemy's canon was: "Man to man/ I don't know if they can/ From what I know/ The parts don't fit" - it's not a ringing endorsement of homosexuality, but it's nothing to Eminem's "You faggots keep eggin' me on/ till I have you at knifepoint, then you beg me to stop?"

Professor Griff, once part of Public Enemy, was virulently anti-gay, but he was eventually kicked out for this, along with his anti-semitism (he was Nation of Islam, incidentally - again, his views proceed from religious belief rather than race). Dr Dre, once part of NWA, was and remains homophobic - "I don't really care about those kind of people" he said in an MTV interview.

And yet, Public Enemy and NWA were never known for homophobia as much as lambasting everyone: the police, Koreans, women, other black people, other black people's mothers, all figures of authority, Jews, gays, absolutely everyone. The ideal of verbal battle was crucial to early hip-hop - everything that could ever in one's wildest dreams function as an insult was pressed into use.

Ultimately, it was not black rappers but white ones who corrupted this form; being too yellow (white?) to hurl racial slurs, groups such as the Beastie Boys and, latterly, Eminem, concentrated their abuse solely on women and gays, made it more violent and, crucially, more pointed, since it was no longer part of a scattergun attack. The Beastie Boys have recently apologised for their homophobia (the working title for their debut album, they said at the time, was Don't Be a Faggot). Adam Horovitz wrote at the end of last year: "I would like to... formally apologise to the entire gay and lesbian community for the shitty and ignorant things we said on our first record." Note, he does not apologise to any other minority, since there was no racial content, and misogyny (still!) doesn't count.

Eminem is unapologetic about his homophobia, and yet rather prim on the use of the word "nigger": "That word is not even in my vocabulary," he said to a Rolling Stone journalist. "I do black music, so out of respect, why would I put that word in my vocabulary?" Well, that's very sweet, but also absurd from a person whose entire raison d'être is that he's out to shock.

So, this musical form has always revered verbal attack on a deliberately absurd scale. People existed who filtered in a fundamentalist agenda, but they were peripheral. The denigration of women and gays was once incidental to a message of wide-ranging and usually amusing insult. Homophobia has only become axiomatic with the arrival of white boys who want to sound tough but are too frightened and apolitical to attack anyone else.

And black culture, ultimately, is no more homophobic than white culture - which is to say, some people are, and some people aren't.

What are your thoughts on this article? Do you think he'll be successful? If so, will it be due to the publicity he received due to his homosexuality?

it was used in Hip Hop Connection to (Uk Hip Hop mag, top read) personally i think its bollocks, shes obivously tryna blame the caucasions once again. Im getting bored with articles like this

ive heard of caution for a while now...over a year...used to be on the star and buc wild show alot,playin his shit....its kind of funny....i dont think many people will buy his shit,unless thier gay as well...maybe they will for humorous value...

to each his own, although having gay friends i'm pretty upbeat on gay people. in the case of gay men, less competition for me, lol.

people make too big an issue of sexuality anyway.

I Heard About Him Like 2 Years Ago...He Was On Mtv

FUCK A FAG... NO FAG RAPPERS

Raises some interesting points that me and some bluds covered before. But she did it in a more compressed and eloquent way..

...but yeah, i got nothing much against gay people. Other than they should have safer sex. Otherwise HIV/AIDs will keep on eating away at humanity till we get to a total extreme...

And MRB, she didn't blame it on the whites. She said it's 'equal'. Both do it, none are better or worse. But seeing as black people are by far the majority in hip-hop, you'll hear more coming from a 'black mouth' in general than a 'white mouth'...

One sometimes needs to use some extreme and isolated references to get their points across. Hence the references to Eminem and Beastie Boys.

i only hate fags when they hit on me and when they act like girls, like, "oh my god" and moving there hands gay and talking with a gay voice....

if fags would act like men they wouldnt be so hated.

You look like a Homo in your sig pic.

No pun intended..

jeez-sus i gotta address this, if you are CONFIDENT in your own sexuality, which you're clearly not. then being hit on by a man wouldnt be a big deal, all you gotta say is "i dont swing that way", and boom, the message is across. i doubt you've ever been hit on a by gay man anyway, the fact that you've even brought the idea up suggests you'd love the attention.

if they "act like men" they wouldnt be so hated? by who? you? listen up you fucking idiot, do you even know what a man acts like? do you think seirouly think there is one set of correct actions for a man to take you fucking nazi? the only people who hate gay people are narrow minded bigots like you who are HATED by everyone else who actually posesses any intelligence. fuck you, you fucking twat.

and Ricsee, congratualtions on using 1 whole 2 sylabble word on your 6 word post. hope you wiped the sweat off your brow after you did it and returned to watching transformers afterwards. what would mommy and daddy think if they heard you using nasty language like that? do they know you're on this site? do they know you listen to hip-hop with all the bad words in?

someone give that kid a cookie.

^^^Exactly. If you're comfortable with your own sexuality, then you'd have no senseless problem with them.

Why does every homophobic male think gays fancey them no matter how fuckin ugly they are ( and most of em fuckin are) im not gay by the way

i hate gay people.......

was that the guy on ohh drama?.. lmao rappin about dogs and cats n shit?..

ahhhhhhhhhhhh!

imagine the videos with 'ho's'......
i dont hate gays..
i just dislike them...but they cant help being what they are
i agree with c section though....i hate faggy shit like their voices and poofy way they do shit like over reacting...makes u cringe

lesbians r cool though.....

theres a fine difference between a gay guy approaching you and talking to you.. and a gay guy coming up and grabbing your balls..

if a gay guy came up to me and started talkin ... id talk back make friends, whatever... and id get to the point that im straight and that i dont swing that way.. and id be happy to be friends..

but if he were to come up and grab my croach thatd be a different story.. hed be catchin a left and right... badabing badaboom..

johnny i have my opinion on gays and if you dont like it to bad, they annoy me, their voices are annoying, and they act like girls

and if you need me to explain the difference between female and male maybe your doubting your own sexuality cause you dont know which is which.

BTW johhny why are you getting so offended? calling me a nazi? LOL seems like you need to come out of the closet if its hurting you that much.

lol^

damn, hes an intellectual this one. you're the dumb fuck on this debate kid. you're telling me every single MAN should act in exactly the same way worldwide? i have gay friends, and guess what, they dont act like girls, they act like men. who the fuck are you to be making generalised statments about lifestlye choices? its people like you that get the living shit kicked out of them when they open their mouths in real life, which you're obviously too much of a pussy to do, you fuckin internet gangsta.

So Now We Know Who The Gay Rapper Is...

LOL are you sure about that? im a internet gangster? and people kick my ass in real life AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO

first of all you better jump me and use weapons if your going to kick my ass, not only have i been in a lot of fights in my life but add that to the fact that i train everyday,you add the fact that im 6'3" 270 pounds(not fat either) with a 30" reach, add that to the fact that im in shape and punch faster then anyone my size. add that to the fact that i have a iron chin, add that to the fact that im putting 270 pounds behind every punch..............add that to the fact that i know how to fight.

im pretty tuff to beat in a fight.

and internet gangster? LMAO have you ever seen me representing a gang on line?

no you havent

you probabley havent even seen me at all.

I have no problem with Gays doin there own things like in Toronto they passed a law Gays can marry and i have no prob with that but , but like C-Section said there pandsies and annoy the hell outta me with there tendancies. But i would have no beef with them like some people cant even stand lookin at gays, let them live there life...jus not with me

*drops some perspective into a boiling pot..*..

Well many white americans say the same thing about black people. That they don't mind black people who 'talk straight' and 'act straight' (no pun intended),

But those who talkwith slang (well ebonics i guess) and act/dress all 'different' they dont like and would rather keep away from. Keep them 'seperate' even...hmmm...ghetto anyone?

note what i said at the start...and this is in mosely in reply to "i don't like how some of them talk and act.."..

I'm perplexed by all of these "ball-grabbing" stereotypical, portrayed-on-Will-and-Grace gays that everybody seems to believe make up the gay population. If a gay guy was dumb enough to "walk up to me, and grab my fuckin balls," he'd be sued for thousands (sexual harrassment). .

Holy fuck, some of u bitches r really fucked up...if u ain' an internet gangsta, then why the FUCK r u on rap battles..? Holy shit...and I HATE homos...(except the dykes...DAMN they nice...)

alright check it out. You got two gay groups

u got

gays

and u got

flames.

GAYS are usually the ones that have the regular voice and you can tell they they're gay. And some of em have the real fast accent. But don't act like women. But they are attracted to women and most likely they don't sodomize.

Then u got flames

the ones who move thier hands and these are mostly the drag queens or the women impersonators. these fags suck dick sodomize or n e thing. they dress in women's clothing.

U THINK IT AINT GANGSTA TO KNOW GAY PEOPLE. WELL PEEP THIS PIMP. MY MOTHER KNOWS A LOT OF GAY PEEPS THATS WHY I KNOW SO MUCH BOUT EM AND ONE PARTICULAR ONE THAT SHE KNOWS NAMED REGGIE IS REAL GOOD FRIENDS WITH JOE BUDDEN AND HIS FAMILY. CUZ THEY BOTH ARE RECOVERING ADDICTS. NOW TO ALL YOU "FAG HATERS" REMEBER THAT WHEN UR SON TURNS OUT TO BE A FLAME. NOT GAY BUT A FLAME!

A'ight dagw, calm down! I don' know any of 'em so I wouldn' know. I'm just a fuckin' stupid nigga then. That's real cool if he knows Joe Budden. I din' know aboutt he 'two type' shi'.

Im with Jonny on this one, C-Section boasting about his fights and training (HERB!!!) congratz jonny on merking Flu

my pleasure, and c-section if you're such a big strong tough guy (or maybe you're just someone who can type big numbers, well....either way) why do gay people bother and intimidate you so much?

to the other guys who are trying to categeorise them thats a bad as being racist. making generalised statements about a group of people is the most ignorant thing you can do. QED (which means thus is it proved), you are all fucking herbs with nothing relevant to say, get the fuck off the site and go and die some place and make the world a happier place.

you expect me to read a long ass article like that about a gay rapper?

Maybe it'll inspire you to up your 0-5 record. .

THE FIRST GAY RAPPPER JAY Z FO SHO HE IS A STUPID RAPPER HE IS HORRIBLE

Fag = no



a fag rapper = no




any thing with fag = no

why do you guys hate gay people so much? if they bother you so much just stay away from them, if theyre on the TV change the fucking channel. They're not going to kill you; they are just regular people like anyone else. Sure the ones who wave their hands and talk like women can get annoying, but just ignore them if it pisses you off that much. If you were confident of your own sexuality you wouldn't be hating on them so much; youd just accept the fact that they are the way they are and you can be the way you want. Its those that are afraid that they are gay themselves that go around degrading homosexual people to make themselves feel better.... ignorant, close minded asses

^^lmao .....fuck the vids
hope he dont make any.

why was the old shit upped? this was from last year.