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I'm not sure how many of you are aware of the bills being passed by the senate (USA). The most recent is that illegal aliens can now attend college tuition free. They do not have to establish residency or give up their illegal status, they can attend school without paying a dime. I bet this will really cap immigration.

Not only do I pay for my tuition, but now I'm paying for someone elses?? When they passed the bill to allow illegal aliens attempts at driver's license I wasn't bothered much, hey let them drive. Now my money is going to some bill to allow those a college education, the same college education i'm struggling to pay.
This is not an attack on illegal aliens, but bills are getting passed like this and society is blind they'll take it out on the receiving versuses the government. This is personal, the government is to blame. In California, all public colleges recently took the blow of an increase in tuition. Yet, the financial aid system has remained the same, not changing any of its guidelines. Many people were able to afford schooling with government aid before the increase, but now I find myself thinking, well shit they want to raise tuition they can pay for it. But of course I don't qualify almost the entire mid-class doesn't (I did an expose on the financial aid system at my school alone for my journalism class. I applied several times under different monetary values- 10G-40G and out of 14 apps. I qualified for 3. the school refused to put the story in the newspaper and I was suspended for several days) . They've strategically setup the aid system that those who are in need of some assistance don't qualify, you have to be scrape to get by and let's face it majority is not exactly rich but minimum wage and cost of living in CA don't really balance out.. I'm thankful that my business is taking off and that I still have scholarship money, but others could even use small amount of money to pay for books and such, and now they have to shell out money so another could go to school free. If it was based on scholastics I would be fine with it, but it's based on immigration status.

We're a democracy, the people participate in the governement. This happened and will continue to happen if people don't put there two cents in. Instead of having a post-discrepency this should have never been in question. There are other things that should take presidency. I am an advocate for literacy and education, but when I'm cheated of mine theres something wrong. Come on people, get involved.

*Awaits bounce's thoughts on this*

I would weigh in with my thoughts... but...

maybe another day...

*slams head on table*

Now people are getting the big picture, thanks for concerning yourself Jes....

Now you see what the left has done in California, this is a good example of what to expect when you vote for those with a liberal agenda. It's poison to our way of life here in America. I am Mexican and I do not believe what they are doing here in California. I will hit this up later, I have to get some work done now.

i dont like this thread coz i started to doze after a bit, but aliens in schools? they may be already in school.......we jus dont know it......blah

^^ you disliked this thread so much you posted in it???

yes, I'm talking about E.T. going to school. It's area 51 all over again.

I guess ignorance is truly bliss...

i see what u mean, jus when u see them in school fuck them up...works in my school:D


And just to let u know...

most of us here are 12-19, and basically dont care about this much...maybe u should take it to a im with bounce...just some thoughts

im mexican but i think thats bullshit, we need to worry about our own people, if they want to go to american college the should become citizens and go threw american highschool, and pay just like us.

why are we helping other countrys get better educations while americans continue to go to wack ass schools like bernalillo.(my school)

instead of us paying taxes to but imigrants threw college it should go to us, help us buy up to date books and help all the school buy computers with internet.

i think its bullshit. im going to go become a mexican citizen then sneek back into the US illegaly so i could get a free college education

Seems like the border control issue is finally hitting close to home...so now people want something to be done. Many immigrants want the best for their children/selves..however many are taking advantage of our govermental programs and freedoms without even attempting to become citizens...the problem is until 9-11 border control was considered a nuisance, something you only have to worry about if you lived in Ca, Ariz, or even NM. Now people are realizing this affects us all. Why dosen't our government look to its citizens and take care of them first (whether your were born here or immigrated)let the other countries deal with them on their own. If you want to live in the US and take advantage of our freedoms by all means do so....just become a citizen first.

^ Agreed, except for the "9/11" metaphor: what do the events of September 11th have to do with border conflict(s)? Directly, nothing. Admittedly, citizenship ought to be academic in the pursuit of an American education. However, one of the sole reasons that this thread was introduced was the influence of the almighty dollar. I find it strikingly horrific that the majority of the complaints pertaining to new bills and/or laws are (and continue to be) directly related to (the loss of) "our" money.

But that's besides the point. . Questions for the author of this thread: Who introduced this bill turned law? What was the name of the bill?

^it is believed most terrorist enter the country on phony student visas and then just disappear into the crowd....after 9-11 people became more aware of terrorists and how they operate....naturally the issue of immigration came up

haha word up. i think its unacceptable that at least statewide the curriculum is not the same and the schools dont have equal funding.

the us is becomin quite a pussy country im sad to admit. we tryin to please everybody when theres ppl in our own country (that were born here) that cant even afford to live indoors. we need to say fuck mass immigration for a while and tell them to come back when our shit is fixed.

While I agree fundamentally on what you are saying here Jes, we ourselves have our own issues with the indigenous people of Australia and the added benefits they receieve over 'white' Australians. However, we are all Australian citizens. You cannot get free tertiary education in Australia if you are not a citizen. However, Primary and Highschool is 100% free to anyone living in Australia, Australian or not... and I believe the biggest difference is that our government pays initially for all tertiary education in Australia, therefore any Australian can attend without the requirement of fees or scholarships etc.

What Im wondering is this... Doesnt a good proportion of the American Dollar go towards educating people (among other things) in other countries in the form of foreign aid? Arent you paying for their free education also?

Where exactly is the line drawn, that limits the 'Land Of Opportunity' for everyone, anyone... American or not.
Do American policies in fact favour non-Americans or immigrant Americans, more so over your own citizens?

I found this interesting -



Maybe society isn't as blind as you think..
You yourself said you couldnt care less about the aliens recieving drivers licences. Why? Because that didnt directly affect you or your pay packet. Although Im sure there are Americans out there who are affected, that do care. Maybe, just as you didnt care about that, others, who arent affected by education issues, simply dont care about this?
You cant pick and choose where you get involved, based on what affects you.. if you truly want to be an activist for your people, its all or nothing. Especially if you want others to get behind you, and get involved in your cause.

^Interesting point you have there. Let me spell out my opinion because I think I can clear up some of your questions. I am the sole earner in a family of three, which includes a toddler. Financial aid will only pay for 65% of my tuition because they say that I earn too much, I am over 18, and since I am not married then I cannot count my girlfriend as a dependent. Now since I work I have to pay taxes right? I make to much to qualify for aid for myself...hence i struggle to try and further my education, while my extra money goes to the government and they decide to give the money to someone who is in the country illegally, not contributing(paying taxes) a free ride? I'm sorry if you disagree but that really PISSES ME OFF.

Too often in this country we become so concerned with matters outside our border we forget the people inside of them. For the record I cared about the issue of giving licenses to immigrants....there is a safety issue involved with that. It will make the people who are already in the country responsible for the actions on our roads....i.e. they will have to have proof of registration, insurance etc.

Foreign aid and free college tuition is two entirely different things...while I don't mind giving money to a third world country to help young children get a better education, I do mind giving someone the chance to attend a major university on MY DIME while I have to perform miracles to do it myself....just a thought though....

I just wish more people would take an active role in our democratc process, before it affects them. The goal should be a proactive stance to ensure these things never get a chance to surface. It's a negletion of the sytems to wait until issues arise before you take action. We should ensure measures against them. Now I have long been worried about our appearent open border policy going on for some time on the Left Coast. I am all for legal immigration, but what has transpired in California in the days of Gray Skies Davis, is a tragedy. The drivers license issue alone is enough to be edgy about. Insurance rates are going to skyrocket, they will not be able to cover the cost of the incresing number of non insured motorist. A means to necesitate new taxes. Influx of students enrolling in college, grounds for immediate governemnt assistance to handle the swell, equates to new taxes. Increased strain on the health care systems, ie.. emergency rooms. More emphasis on new taxes. Increased social assistance programs, more taxes. Higher taxation chokes the economy of dollars circulated, increases the amount of "our dollars" in jepordy of government squandoring. Why you ask? Is it not obvious? Need I repeat myself a million times on this site before more people understand the direction in which the liberal elite are taking us. All these rappings of our country's values, tradions and law's are by products of the left wing agenda. Who stands to gain from all this vote pandering activity? Those who want to increase governemnt spending, through higher taxes. Those who want big government. Those who push thie agendas on us by all mean possible. Apealing to those benifitng from thses policy's is way to incourage and shape thier vote. To secure office and push agendas the left will sell our country out, then every one of our families. It's scary, and in California most college students are fighting to keep Davis in office. Come on lets make this recall happen, lets tell america we are not taking this any longer. We can use the Sytem against itself. Now that it has hit home for you Jes, get active in your school. You have a voice and it should be heard. It's so wrong that you have to struggle to get education, but this is just the begining of your troubles. Wait until those non legal immagrants hit the corperate work force, you'll be sure to see a new type of affirmitive action bennifiting those same indiviuls. That is if we don't change things through our voting process. Those making these issues into law, will need to invent new ways to sway the vote, increase taxes and instill new governemnt regulations on our society until it resembles a socialist, godless, immoral wasteland of digenerates. I know I know, hey I'm fucked up and typeing this with emotion so please excuse the dramatics and typos and shit.

And they say Bush had a sneaky way of gaining office, look at what these guy are doing in office to ensure they remain in office, it should be illegal. How can you over turn the will of the people with just three liberal judges on a pannel of eight. PLEASE SOMEONE SHOULD GET THE FIRING SQUAD FOR THIS...

Ahh I agree with you profiit, my questions were some what rhetorical. I was attempting to show that America seems to take at length, steps to ensure that the rest of the World knows it is the biggest contributor of foreign aid, and yet, the American people themselves are having to survive such circumstances. Believe me, I agree with you totally that the education system in America is messed up. After we exhausted all avenues, my ex boyfriend was forced to join the Army 2 years ago as it was the only way he could access higher education. Where is he now? He's in Tikrit. All he wanted was to be a journalist... and now, hes struggling to survive whats going on over there.

I do wonder though, why America gives so much foreign aid. I don't mean to step on toes here, but it seems to me that America does little unless it expects to benefit back in some way. So is it humanity, or power that the Government seeks? I'd like to think the betterment of humanity, but I suspect I'd be a fool in doing so lol



And bounce... I have little knowledge of your in house politics, I am not American and centre more on World politics... but I can tell you, you don't need to repeat yourself anymore, because even Ive got your message regarding the 'lefties' Don't think Ive read a post from you in a while that doesnt convey your distaste lol

Tourniquet- I can't help but think your posts are missing the topic. You are hell bent on proving me wrong aren't you....



Have you heard of the word 'opinion'? Yeah, everyones entitled to them. My cause is not to stop immigration altogether, get real it's not possible how the fuck do you think my family got here? I'm half Ethiopian and half Filipino, I'm first generation American citizen. Immigration is not the issue.

Yes I can pick and choose what I get involved in, especially if it doesn't affect me. I'm strongly against the psychological drugging of children, but I'm not against drugging for medicinal purposes. Your statement stated that I would have to be against both... "all or nothing", and that's a ridiculous idea that an activist is an all or nothing, in fact this proves you have no idea about activisim (if you need more detail let me know, I can break it down for you). This thread isn't even an activist issue. I didn't post this to rally a party so we can protest, I wanted to see how many were aware, and as far as it seems not alot. I really don't give a fuck, people will probably read this and think "that sucks" and not give two shits about it. But I know theres that small percentage, Prophiit and Bounce who do care.That's life. I know this thread doesn't appease the masses, but I don't appease the masses, I go against the grain not because I like to, but because what I believe and what I feel makes me a minority, I'm straight with that.

And I think majority of those who attend some educational instituiton can feel the affect. At San Diego state this semester they weren't accepting transfer students. The school is full, how would you feel if you tried to attend willing to pay a pretty dollar, but someone else is in your spot for free? this is what I mean, immigration has nothing to do with it, it's are governments way of thinking and when I say government I mean the people.

all that comes out of your mouth is 'America' this 'Americans' that. You must have some deep seeded issues with America cause thats all you ever post about, never focusing on the topic at hand. The topic here is free education to those who are not citizens, how does it effect you? It doesn't... well then get over yourself. You obvisously have a bad taste in your mouth regarding America and everyone gets the point, your getting repeatitive. Stop asking your rhetorical questions, if you want to be inquesitive then look it up. I'm not even going to debate on the foreign aid topic (especially cause its not related to this thread).. another time and place.

And you will probably post a rebutle. And in doing so, can you at least discuss something other than you think I'm wrong. Good Luck.

believe Bounce, I was all over it I'm not keeping my mouth shut. I'm still dumbfounded that they refused to print my story. But the truth is I'll make all the noise, but if only one person is screaming they're are going to be passed up. I will however, let them hear me and make my feelings none... Not only publicly, but when I vote. Remember those who did this were voted INTO office by the people. Yes, Davis' way of thinking has drastically changed and without evidence of support, only to please the majority. Thats why we cannot vote him into office again, if he changes stances mid-term how strong are his values and ideas?

Prophiit I agree with you entirely. And your a great example of hard-working middle America who is stuck in that limbo which most are... Don't make enough in society, but make too much in government eyes. And your last paragraph.. took the words out of my mouth.

Ahhh I dont see how I introduced immigration into this...so Ill leave that alone.
And you seem to think I dont agree with you that the education issues you speak of are unfair, where as I do. Needless argument? I think so.


For the record, my 'all or nothing' comment does not mean you have to be for everything, or against everything... you make your own judgement on the subject, as is your right. My point is you cant choose to only give a shit about issues that directly affect you in a negative way.. especially if you want others to get involved...



I know one of the biggest problems Australia has, and I suspect America also.. isnt ignorance, its apathy. People are aware of the issues, but just dont care enough until its an issue that affects them directly. They arent blind, just indifferent.

'If it doesnt affect me, I dont give a shit.'
'Do what you want, as long as it doesnt affect me.'

Not sure if anyone bothered to mention this or care but...

1) We are a republic, not a democracy.

2) I'd rather this country be isolationist then imperialist.

3) Maybe this bill being passed is actually a devious trap mastermind by the US government to lure illegal aliens in going to colledge and then nabbing them during class ala MIB style kidnapping.

4) Maybe they figure they just want people to actually know what they are doing when their grapes are being picked.

~Shalom~

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Jes, I do believe and I have respected your intellect since you became a member here on RB, I have a daughter and I am raising her to be aware and active. It's young ladies such as yourself that I would love to expose her too, so yes I do blieve you will makle a conscious stand against the powers that be. Not all politicains are corrupt, but with the pressure of a corrupt special interest group pushing thier agenda on the system, any one of these politicians can be manipulated. I just hope you can understand my postion on this and all the issues for that matter. I may be young but I am not ignorant to the small yet significant changes introduced into our way of life. They are the run way for everything horrible to follow. We need to out smart and out voice the enemy within, as I like to call them. They are using our own culture and short commings against us, to push thier own idoelogies on our system. What we have seen in Californis Jes, is just the beginning, we have not yet scratched the surface. I will be down in Chula Vista next week for a defense briefing, I was scheduled to do some recruiting at your school, and also talk to the engineering students who want to apply for a summer internship. I will try to get a feel for the mood of the genreal population in school, to use in an essay for the free republic news. I do this only because it does affect us, even if we do not see it or feel it today, it's going to be a major pain in the future. I owe it to my daughter and youth every where to fight for something that may not affect me now, but will damage thier lives later. I will get back to this thread later, I have to earn a living for now. Much repsect Jes, please don't lose that fire...

If Only They saw the importance of this in the Bush Kerry Elections