Aesop = Misogynist?
 

Alright, so I go to a Catholic school, and in my theology class our teacher allows us to bring in CD's or something that hold meaning to us. So I brought in Labor Days since it helps me think more clearly and holds significance for me.

I played one of my favorite tracks of all time, "Daylight"

Now, I realize that the lyrics "Life's not a bitch, life is a beautiful woman. You only call her a bitch because she won't let you get that pussy" can be brought to question as being appropriate or not in a school environment, but once I cut down the lines and thought about what they really meant, I saw no problem in what was being said.

So it plays, and once the song is over, the first thing my teacher says is that she usually accepts and is open to music, but Hip-Hop is notorious for being misgynistic among detractors. Then she goes on to call Aesop a misogynist and that she is insulted I brought such discriminating garbage into the classroom.

Now, I don't care if you like what I like or not, but what gets at me is the fact that she hates it for the wrong reason. I even tried explaining the lyric to her (someone who's pet peeve is people taking everything literally) and she cuts me off with misinterpreted statements of how it was a direct attack on woman and he is displaying his thoughts of male domination over the inferior female race.

I just stopped talking after that as I saw there was absolutely no reasoning with her and I might as well had just turned and argued to the wall. Me personally, I think she was just bringing up the lyric as an excuse to attack Hip-Hop directly, as she made sure the door was closed and turned the volume down once Aesop's voice kicked in.

Regardless, should I even attempt to try and clarify this with her? It is bugging the Hell out of me that someone can be so close minded to explanations and reasoning once they make an assumption, regardless if it is based on wrong or misinterpreted information or not.

nope. shes too close minded to be told the truth. you take the good with the bad friend, and the good about that is that maybe people in your class who never heard Aesop before will go buy a CD of his..

Some People Have Wrong Opinions Of Things. You Can't Argue Against These Wrong Opinions As They Can Only Be Changed By the Person Who Holds Them. Narrow Mindedness is a Fickle Thing.





But Anyway, Below Is a Picture Of Two People Having Sex:












































Only Kidding.. Believe in Jesus...!!!

Yes, you should. However, with someone like that you must layout your explanation very carefully. Think it out...hell, write it out first if you have to. Just make sure you state clearly that you would appreciate it if she would hear you out first before she comments. Just so that she can get the full effect. Then, if she still says no, then that just makes her look close minded and foolish in front of her pupils.

I Don't Think Anyone Has the Right to Try n Change People's Opinions. If She Wants to Believe That Then Let Her, Don't Let it Bother You.

The only thing that is bothering me is the fact that she based it off of a misinterpretation and won't even try to hear the truth....I'm not trying to change her mind, I'm trying to correct her mistake....

He doesn't have to try and change her opinion. However, I don't think people should only be open to one perspective. You can hear someone elses opinion without having to put stock in it.

Don't Worry MuhThugga, We Will Be Going to Heaven

dumb bitch... kill her... immeadiatly...

thats how one of my teachers was, we were suposed to find poems and present them to the class, i asked her is we could you poems by rappers and she said know cause all rappers do is degrade females and they arent really talented writers,

so i got some poems by sage francis, mos def, common, erikah badu and pac and showed them to here and she still didnt accept them, then i got some more poems by the same people and just put some fake names on them and she accepted them and was like " wow those were great im going to have to read more of their poems"

3 days later she came to me and said she couldnt find any poems by those poets i i told her the real names and she was still in denial.....:confused:

lmao.... i had to do that one time and i brought in too short cause my teacher hates rap too... but i didnt care... i read it out to the class too, funniest thing EVER lol

that really makes me mad, i blame it on the phuking commericial gangster rap, with no writing talent what-so ever.

teachers are just pawns of the goverment, governed to govern us into a certain set of level of thinking, and hide us from the thruth

bastards.

and anyways about your teacher, dont give up, tell her to live in the ghetto for a week and see how she finds it. she mite end up more gangster then styles p herself.

and tell her what multis and internals etc are, if she isnt impressed by then, she is a herb that needs merked

ha ha ha.....Sage Francis does some of the sickest spoken word shit ever.....

yeah...I guess I'll talk to her......the problem is that as soon as they hear a vulgarity they automatically shut off....or if they hear any form of Hip-Hop they automaticlly shut off and disregard it as stupid and unintelligent.

Well it seems to me you said it yourself...shit, you go to a catholic school....with most of the head administration and teachers are conservitive and 'stuck in they ways' so to speak...She might think she's open minded but everybody think they nice too,nahmean? Even killers think they are a nice person..so obviously she's not..cuz shes feeding into what the Bill O'Rileys and conservitive media is telling them what hip-hop is...so thats the image they see when they think 'hip-hop' even though thats not the case...you tryin to beat life into a dead horse, ma'man. She already got her mind made up that all hip-hop is gangsta, pimp, balla shit....

i would have closed the door and turned the music down when he voice came in too...


aesop = blah

Don't get angry. Just be persistent and keep bringing it up. After class or in a relative 'debate' or discussion.

Then again it is a catholic school. And the teachers are in general usually more close minded.

How old is she? How religious is she?

I'd keep on trying to reason with her. But only to a certain point. Then i'd break it off by saying "How can i respect and therefore learn from someone who is...."...

Of course, you can learn from someone who is close minded, stubborn in beliefs and all that. But that isn't the point now, is it?..

But also you can see where she is coming from. A catholic school teacher. Female. And this man is using a woman's vagina and the woman herself as a metaphor for life. Of course we understand it. And appreciate the meaning. That part of it is in fact the opposite of what she is thinking. But with the stigma attached to Hip-Hop. From the countless lyrics and videos of many rappers in the mainstream. And then to hear that. It's easy to understand. Especially as she doesn't listen to hip-hop. But especially cos she doesn't know the characteristics of the artist.

Maybe you could enlighten her on who he is. And some of his other work. That he is in a sense the 'brighter' side of Hip-Hop within the context she sees it.

Lol, yall care to much bout what other people think.

Muh, don't be pussy! LoL, joking.

Remember the movie "Finding Forester", when Jamal (sp?) argues with the professor, who is quite a bitter fellow, in front of the whole class? Correcting him on his use of the word “farther”, how it should have actually been “further”? Then eventually the Professor kicks Jamal out of the class, for the sole reason Jamal embarrassed the professor with the fact he was right.

Well, personally I would have gone to that extent. I would not have shut up until I made her realize that not everything she believes is right. The fact that she is a teacher and is unwilling to accept another person’s ideas is absurd. She’s a teacher, she is suppose to teach a certain curriculum, not try to change students mind to believe in her own beliefs. She is suppose to let a student find their own beliefs, and if she doesn’t let them, and other teachers don’t let students do so, the world will start to be the same. Everyone will have the same thoughts and eventually the same mind. Soon enough people will start to dress the same and act the same. “Peace” will come to rule the world. Some may think this would be a great thing, the idea of ‘complete peace’, but its not. The world needs difference, that’s the only way anything gets done. If no one disagrees than nothing will change, the way of life will become complete routine, even more then it is now. Eventually the world will stop, for the simple fact every single person is in a traffic jam, and at the beginning of each jam will be two or three cars with drivers ‘waiting for the other car to go’, and no one will go ahead until the other goes...something which will never happen. So in the end they all starve and die in their cars.
Maybe that’s a bit farfetched and maybe I’m getting ahead of myself, but everything up to the traffic jam part could very well be true.

MuhThugga, if you would, honestly, print this out and give it to her, tell her what its in response to. Then tell her if she wishes to talk further to contact me at bruklor@hotmail.com. I’m not going to just go off and yell at her or anything, just to talk about the topic more.

-Muh, I am actually serious, and if you do actually do it, obviously you might want to remove your nickname, or she might jump on that too = /

I did a little of catholic school in my time...but I never
ever let it do me...never got mollested...yeaaaa :kid:
...maybe I wasnt good enough for that dirty fucks
hands but I love you jesus save me...:kid:

as for the teachers theyr much older for the most part and
definately set in their ways...once thay have thier misguided
view or story they stick to it and choose not to acknbowledge
anything you could do to shed light upon the topic....at least
she didnt try to hit your fingers with a big ruler or throw
an eraser at your head...that wouldnt be nice and if that
happened id get kick outta school if I was you muhthugga...

but as for aesop lyrics on daylight which is oone of his best
songs ever the the content...err yes...they dont degrade
women...they actually show respect for women and
talk shit on asshole boyfriends...now if she heard the
night light lyrics she might have really fliped on you

"lifes not a bitch lifes a biaaatchhh....who keeps the villagers
circling the marketplace out searching for the g spot....
maybe she didnt think yall shared any similar interest...
or maybe your just an asshole...or maybe im just an asshole"
~Aesop Rock - Night Light~

both versions of the lyrics for the songs explain
a lot about people and the word bitch wasnt used
in a degrading way...shes just stupid man...

im guessing the teachers in her mid fifties...closeminded...
anyhow if you know baseball well you cant toss it through
closed windows...well you can but its not the greatest thing
in the end...unless you really hate the person and can get
away with it before someone noticing....
yeaaaaaa.........I ruined christmas.....yeaaaaaaaa :kid:

And if nothing stated above works. Spit on her and tell her Purgatory isn't even in the fuckin Bible.

lmao @ Lethargic.....

I was going to talk to her today about it since I have a lot of free periods.....but....and this is my luck in full swing..... she took the day off......
Thanks Bruk....I was thinking of doing just that...printing this topic out and let her read it.....I'll definitely talk to her about it.....

On a brighter side of things.....I saw an article in the Newspaper on the Aesop Rock/ Murs/ Mr Lif concert I'm going to on Wednesday:)

blow her mind, play something like Fair Xchange By 2pac or All About U..

^What would that do? ...Just prove her point? Lmao

^^I just ignored his comment, Bruk......

lol. . Play some big tymers why don'tcha!?! Retards. .

Seriously. . Don't let stupid people get on your nerves. . Just laugh at their ways and continue to think that you are the perfect being. . It works for me!

different music for different people; maybe she personally interprets aesop rock as a retard who raps about his cars, jewels & bitches. Just cos she doesnt realise what the hell he's talking about doesnt mean shes right. The best thing to do would to just ignore her - or ask her a question like "well then what kind of music do YOU listen to?" and if she says some shit about pop music etc. u can easily counter it by saying "i think using a woman as a metaphor for life is much more meaningful and creative than singing about how music wants to make u dance, despite the coarse language." you can show her that aesop is easily one of the most meaningful musical artists that has ever lived. its all about examples

play her no regrets instead and if she still dont listen talk to the wall in front of the class & when she asks what yo doin say the wall is open minded

^ lol. the wall is open minded, thats classic

but if he did that in a catholic school he would probabley be beat with a ruler

^^Metal - edged ones suck.......

muh, tell her like it is. women ARE bitches
aesop IS sexist. the females are the male
downfall, ever since that book Genesis.
That WAS REALLY aesop's point. =) . . . .

explanation.


life's not a -bitch-
she's a -beautiful woman-

what are most beautiful
women? i mean really?
it's a metaphoric synonmical
twist on words that is
quite amazing, you only
call her a bitch cuz she
won't let you get that
pussy. what do we call
women who don't let us
hit it. biatches! . .. similar
interests -asshole who
couldn't sweet talk the
princess-! now it's an
entire flip! holy shit . . .
men are fucked up too.
the lyric basically said that
PEOPLE ARE GARBAGE
SINNERS ANd WE ARE
ALL GOING TO HELL.

^ show your teacher that. ^

and tell her i said
that i love her.

peace, and eat some
vegetarians.

ahhahahahahah. i do hate close minded ppl. when they dont listen it makes you wanna bitchslap them.

like one guy said, metal edged rulers suck..... i was slapped across the face once in my home country, fuck had red skin there for a week.......

but obviously a catholic teacher isnt going to like hip hop oriented music.... because they swear....