HipHop and Rap
 

I want to hear some opinions on the two...i'm writing an essay on how mainstream rap is killing the Hiphop culture and giving it a bad reputation...so i'm want to hear it from the people who are actually involved with the culture...drop some knowledge...

Its not destroying it, its just different genre's or takes on hiphop. Mainstream can only be good for it, as its bringing our culture to a wider audience. Alkthough, people such as myself despise mainstream hiphop. I listen to more poetry now than anything actually.

Mainstream is all good for the culture. Like Baron said it's bringin in a wider audience. Look how many people Eminem has brought into the hip hop culture. More people acknowledge hip hop and rap now. And that can only be a good sign.

yes your right, untill you got to the part of "that can only be a good sign." Are you sure? How many white kids try and act like eminem, just because they think he's cool, and will switch culture at the drop of a dime. That's insulting to the culture dont you agree?

I believe in this statement:

"Mainstream Hip Hop is the goverments exploitment to degrade the race of blacks, by supplying them with expressive enjoyment via media exposure through the goverments usage of controversial structure. Thus stereotypes blacks as dangerous people. Thus degrading them to the worlds society."

Phukin tru as 4uck. P diddy, Snoop dogg etc and all the other commerical artists, I think are payed to say the stuff they say as a blackmail confrontation. Although I dont think what they are doing.

However underground hip hop, is just raw and really educational (in certain aspects). Its a positive thing, and is mature entertainment. Is it not?

i dont think eminem is ruining the culture; he gave it a wider audience. If white kids try and be like him, thats their problem - they wont get respected anyway for being dickriders. For example, i wouldnt mind being a rapper and im white, but im not gonna follow in eminems footsteps even though hes one of my favourite rappers - i would never talk about raping people for fun, fucking animals, or any of the stuff he normally would. If your a biter or copying someone, your not gonna get recognised anyway. But if a white person brings his own qaulities, i dont think his colour matters as long as he/she have something worth listening to.

i do agree though, it is insulting to claim to be part of hip hop culture just because you think eminem is cool. Any true rap fan knows he isnt the be-all and end-all of rap. You need to understand something about the culture to be part of it; and the best ways are to either live it, or listen to underground, the real stuff.

Yeah, i hate mainstream too. Its profitable for the culture, but if an artist (nelly, chingy, ja rule) only make club-friendly music then they suck. On the other hand, eminem, jay z, nas etc. have both raw, lyrically powerful, meaningful songs as well as a few songs recorded for mainstream success. just dont pay attention to those, like me, if you dont like them. Id rather listen to "till I collapse", "soldier" or "when the music stops" than "without me".....

yep - i agree...mainstream is good..and its good music..sometimes

Mainstream music is Hip-Pop, bordering R&B id say, i dont like that at all and hate the way thats going, BUT by getting into that, the pop genre's coming into hiphop and hopefully they'll get into underground like all us have over time.

Its a double edged sword.

Nice.............

I agree with Wogzta. Eminem is phenominal....nobody can deny that but his tracks like Without me, The Real Slim Shady and even Business are created just to get him a load of money but songs like The Way I Am and Cleanin out my closet have a more deeper meanin but they dont do as well in the charts. Not in the British charts anyway. The only track where Em has hit top spot with a song where he wasnt just bein arragant and cocky was Lose Yourself. People tend to buy the songs that get stuck in your head. Like My name is. The chorus for that really wrecks your head.

what hurts the image of rap is the overportrayal of violence, materialism, sex, etc. mainstream rap is good for hip hop but the message that is being played in the mainstream is a negative gangster image and when that's all you see it begins to have a negative effect.

yeah most people assume all rappers are gangbanga's and kingpens................that bullshit couldnt be farther from the truth

No, most of eminems releases after the Slim shady LP actually have meaning in them and are ok songs.... but its always the lead single, the happy jumpy fucked up singles ( my name is, real slim shady, without me) that do the best... he usually follows up with better ones (stan, the way I am, cleanin out my closet, sing for the moment, lose yourself etc.) but these (with the exception of stan) dont do as well in the charts, and therefore most ppl are grown on the image that "without me" is what eminem is about - but thats not true. People these days just look for catchy lines and hooks, and they end up thinking thats what real rap is. this couldnt be more wrong.

em made songs like without me and real slim shady and my name is to show his humor side. so thats good that rap has a humor. but the serious songs are better like ems cleanin out your closet and lose yourself. tupacs songs are serious and they are amazing.

Aight Yo.
Mainstream ain't killin hip hop....i admit i don't like artists like chingy ja rule and nelly being called some of tha greatest but without mainstream a lot of people wouldn't even acknowledge hip hop ......so it aint killing tha culture......but artists like i named shouldn't be given as much credit as they are.......

and i think you can be mainstream but still be underground......artists like eminem,nas,Dmx...all rap about real shit and stay true too them selfs ...and to me thats what
"UnderGround" hip hop music is...[tha only difference is that their shit is on T.V..........] they still come with tha real......

i dont know who said it before me but they were right whne thye said people dont recognize real skill they only look for catchy hookz and all that shit..dont get me wrong gotta have music to dance to....BUT... i think artists like chingy etc.. are not excactly destroying tha culture ...but makin rap music more about "Bangin beatz" and "Catchy Hookz"
rather than "Lyrical Skill" and "storytelling".......
and that is tha true downside to Mainstream Rap............

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^ wow you're an intelligent newbie..... nicely said

we need mainstream - but good mainstream, if you know what i mean

Ayura, shut up. I shut you up before on this topic, its now getting redundant.

"How many white kids try and act like eminem, just because they think he's cool, and will switch culture at the drop of a dime. That's insulting to the culture dont you agree?"

-Not at all. Its only an insult if you take it as one. I could really care less. People are people and people do dumb things. I've accepted it.

"Mainstream Hip Hop is the goverments exploitment to degrade the race of blacks, by supplying them with expressive enjoyment via media exposure through the goverments usage of controversial structure. Thus stereotypes blacks as dangerous people. Thus degrading them to the worlds society."

-Hip Hop hasn't done that, mainstream rap hasn't done that. History has. Blacks have been seen as trouble making bunches that are good for nothing...except picking cotton forever. That was far before rap music ever existed. During the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's (and before that as well), blacks have been seen as the ones that cause trouble, and if anything wrong happens, they did it. You think blacks had to use different bathrooms than whites because of rap music?...something that wouldn't exist for at least 30 years.
-Blacks have done a good enough job of living up to their stereotype if you haven't noticed. Not that I'm racist, because its not completely their faults, they’ve been put into a situation which is incredibly hard to get out of. When you live in a run down ’ghetto’, because you can’t get out, for lack of money, and other reasons on top of that, you become subject to the likeliness of succumbing to the common affairs of that ghetto. And on top of that, as if it wasn’t already enough, they have been given the stereotype of “bad”, and its much easier to fall into a stereotype than it is to not.

"commerical artists, I think are payed to say the stuff they say as a blackmail confrontation. Although I dont think what they are doing."

-Are you serious?...you do realize the government wanted to get rid of NWA right? And thats pretty much who you can thank for the start of "gangsta rap".
Bud, stop with the bullshit, all these conspiracies. What next, 50 Cent is actually an alien who was captured by the army, brainwashed by scientists at Area 51 to be a "gangsta rapper"?

"However underground hip hop, is just raw and really educational (in certain aspects). Its a positive thing, and is mature entertainment. Is it not?"

Are you serious? Go listen to Necro or Ill Bill, tell me thats educational. There are all different types of underground artists, some are positive, some are stupid, some are just underground because they can't make it mainstream. There's everything...

Why do you beef against me all the time?




Theres no proof in saying that. He got shot 9 times remember. Thats like saying - 'If I hold this ball in my hand, and let go, theres no proof in that one day, it'll float to the ceiling.' You can only prove things on a basis which reflect things which are in existence. Besides his face is mungled up.


Yes I understand blacks where discriminated before rap music you fassy-hole. Im just stating the fact of the government doing what its doing.
Yes I realise the underground scene is diverse and I clearly stated (in certain aspects). Man when I listened to jedi mind, I wanted to understand some of the stuff they talked about, so i researched and found it, thus being educational and knowledgable in a sense.
However your kinda right about the eminem thing, but its still true. And if you couldnt care less, why are so eager to shut me up then?

About stereotyping, thats pretty true, it is hard to fall outta one. Like if someone managed to fool a bunch of black people or any other race, into thinking white people are criminals and stuff, eventually the white people will become criminals because they'll think its there place in life to be one. So I can see where your coming from. But then again, why are concentrating on just black people? Theres loads of differant societies and communities that fall into differant things. Such as Mexicans, classified as trouble makers. Or like germans who are hairy people. Which aint strictly true. Or Indians are always doctors, and own cornershops.

Case Closed.

*Cuts Red Tape*

"Why do you beef against me all the time?"

-If you stopped talking about these stupid got damn government conspiracies I wouldn’t have to!

"Theres no proof in saying that. He got shot 9 times remember. Thats like saying - 'If I hold this ball in my hand, and let go, theres no proof in that one day, it'll float to the ceiling.' You can only prove things on a basis which reflect things which are in existence. Besides his face is mungled up."

-What The Fuck? Ok, first off, what the fuck did him being shot 9 times have to do with anything?
And you also proved my whole point that no conspiracies exist. “You can only prove things on a basis which reflect things which are in existence.” Thank you! You are still yet to provide any actual evidence that the government has this hold over “rap”...or are they hiding it that good? :rolleyes:

"Yes I understand blacks where discriminated before rap music you fassy-hole. Im just stating the fact of the government doing what its doing."

-You see, everyone did, that was the way of life, not just the government. Nothing you have said is a fact. Go grab a dictionary you UFO, Conspiracy Fuck.

"However your kinda right about the eminem thing, but its still true. And if you couldnt care less, why are so eager to shut me up then?"

-Because its god damn fun. Also because everything your talking about is ridiculous.

"But then again, why are concentrating on just black people? Theres loads of differant societies and communities that fall into differant things. Such as Mexicans, classified as trouble makers. Or like germans who are hairy people. Which aint strictly true. Or Indians are always doctors, and own cornershops.

Case Closed."

Nothing is strictly true, that’s why it’s a stereotype. Blacks have fallen victim to the stereotype they are in because of slavery basically...they earned a bad reputation than, well, even before that, because they were taken slaves. Wait…why the fuck am I even explaining all this? You didn’t prove anything with your whole reply there. You just stated random bullshit, you are yet to write anything people would deem remotely conclusive to prove your point.

alright alright u guys I think I'll step in the middle of this and get this thread a lil bit back on topic instead of listenin to u 2 bitch back and forth at each other no offence or nuttin cuz let alone it is mildly amusing and slightly funny but at the same time kinda childish so y don't u to just work out whatever differences u got and whatever. but anyways about the topic here. personally I think most mainstream rap is shit. I'm all for the west coast with em and dre and all them and as for east coast??? the only group I really like from there is cypress hill cuz they were always real with their shit and they had the best blazin songs ever. but anyways if u really wanna understand the hip hop culture to it's fullest I suggest u start listenin to tons and tons of underground and old school rap because unlike "most" mainstream, underground artists have a way of always speakin their shit real with tons of lyrical skills and they speak the shit deep. and as for the old school rap well that shit has always been realer the the new age mainstream hip hop in my opinion. an for a few suggestions of underground artists check out some shit by:

atmosphere
mac lethal
a tribe called quest
classified
necro
arsonists
and sphere of hip-hop

juss some suggestions. peace.

this is a tough subject and id have to agree, it is a double sided sword. cuz theres gonna be those people who hear an artist like eminem or ja rule or nelly and thats all there ever gonna listen to, and theres gonna be those who will hear those artists and not only be turned onto mainstream rap but theyll also start listening to more underground shit with more meaning in it. so yea some people are gunna have a false image of the hip hop culture, but therll people who are gunna ave a real sense of rap too

i agree with ayura in some aspects... i do think it is wrong to claim to be a hip hop fan just cos u think eminem is cool... hip hop is about more than that.... but come on man, government conspiracies? thats just straight bullshit... hip hop is music, culture & entertainment... not a conspiracy theory... i couldnt care less whether an artist makes mainstream music... as long as they stay true to themselves and make the real stuff for true hip hop fans.. but everyone needs to sell and make a living... so if they release a a single or two that does well, that doesnt make them a bad artist... look at nas, eminem, jay z, 2pac, biggie... theyre all mainstream artists, but they also make songs for the real hip hop fans to listen to... it just the shit they release to make money is aired on MTV

and as for underground, its great - to me underground is just the same except its more hardcore and isnt seen on TV and heard on radio... but that doesnt mean that those who are are not good artists..

I'll love how all these guys are talking about underground rap and have 2pac or Nas in their avatar.

"I'll love how all these guys are talking about underground rap and have 2pac or Nas in their avatar"

im sorry but that a str8 up stupid remark, just because someone listens to a mainstream artist that doesnt mean that they dont isten or have an opinion on underground rap. that statement was by no means relevant.

When are these people gonna stop fucking things up?

Hip-Hop is a culture that includes these methods of expression:

RAP

GRAFFITI

BREAKING/DANCE

Blacks were & are discriminated against, no matter what. It's the white mentality, take whatever you want.

america

rock & roll

hip-hop

Iraq....

You should really become my groupie, you could learn a lot.
It annoys me, people who idolize people enough to put them somewhere that would represent them. Get a mind of your own.

what

sorry self, but you are wrong. I, and anyone, can be both underground fan and enjoy mainstream music - what's your reasoning behind having to choose between one? And when i say mainstream, that doesnt mean MTV. Mainstream selling artist can also release good songs on their album which will not be released as singles. Coming from someone with 4000 + posts, that was a pretty uneducated statement.

Mainstream Rap Isn't Destroying Hip-Hop...It Is Just A Seperate Culture Of Hip-Hop...Whats Really Killing Hip-Hop Is The Beef In Hip-Hop That Leads To Death...

OMFG da thread starter asked to drop knowledge about da hiphop culture........he aint ask for eminem bio's

^^^Very true. But eminems bio is really interestin.
And self...look I have eminem in my avatar but I dont worship or idolise him...I've been through a lot of the same shit as him...so in a way my avatar shows meanin to my life aswell as who my favourite rapper. And how does a few numbers represent you

^^^werd

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Grrrr. Fucking idiot.
When I say "mainstream rap" I am not talking about every single rapper on the radio or T.V. I am talking about a style of rap. Kids...
And, your still such a newbie.
"Coming from someone with 4000 + posts, that was a pretty uneducated statement"
You should be clowned for the rest of eternity for that.




No. Eminem's biography is not really interesting. If it is, well then you really need to start watching A&E...
"I've been through a lot of the same shit as him"
So why not have a picture of yourself instead?
Everything you do, you say, or project from any source of identification of you is a representation of you.

lmao i hope some1 goes to their bed and crys from this thread :)

^^LMAO

^I hope you get banned you n00b piece o' shit
Mister i put a squiggle in my name so i' think i'm cool and can freepost........meh pleb