What makes a good track???
 

What's the main ingrediants to make a good song...

I heard tunes I like wit kinda lame beats, and (alot more common) good beat with (eeeehhh!!!!) Raps... for example G-Dep's Let's get it... what a beat dat is but check the lyrics... sum 'Fish an spegetti' bullshit... wha you think???

Beats and lyrics both have to be be up to par to make a great track but think of 'In Da Club', simple but effective beats make it a good track...the lyrics are'nt the best. But think of 'The message' by Nas. Simple beat but lyrics are amazin which makes it an amazin track...it all comes down to the balance between lyrics and beats

Yeah, but Rappers with not very impressive lyrics 'DMX' (although he has his moments), Nelly, Puff Daddy (also had his moments on 'No Way Out'), Even a dude like 'Twista' his flow is tight as hell (due to tounge reflex) but if yo look up at his lyrics dey ain't too impressive... Everyone looks for different elements in music an I was jus wondering what it is that you RB users require listening wise!!! coz I know you 'pop' cats be too shallow to dig music to this extent.

You need an equal balance between the two? Not in my opinion, ive actually got more into poetry stuff now and even spoken word, i wrote a piece on it called `Music Is Dying` i dont think i posted that here, but its basically that nothing compares to someone revealing their true opinions and emotions on certain subjects they put their heart into.

Fucka beat. Commercial Ass Kids. .

It depends, some people like shit you can dance to and others like a more emotional track that actually might have a moral purpose < which is what i prefer

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There has to be some kind of link to the rapping and the beats, there has to be a merge, a connection. Otherwise you dont get no chemistry.

Also, I think samples and other little tiny sound effects can add and give a track more depth

But the main thing, the lyrics have to be dope, and a beat you can feel.

But everyones differant, so its hard to make a tune which everyone will luv.

Beats
Lyrics...

Alrite, this is gonna be hard to explain, but what I notice in mainly American Rap music is you always get the singing, catchy parts... or a part where the tune cuts out an comes back in, or where the voices are doubled etc ... get where I'm commin' from???

Do you find this effective???
or do you think dem cats are tryin' 2 hard???

What Ayura said boutthe chemistry beteen Rappers an producers in my expirience is true coz I'v done bout 5 tracks in a studio in 3 years an I never come out satisfied coz I always end up doin' what the producer wants on his beat that I don't feel suit me in the first place, I mean, I can Rap but never seem to pull it off when it comes to makin' a track... advice???

^^ doubling over is onoe of the most affective forms of emphasis

for instance...if you were battling, and there was a very good punchline, you would double overto draw attention to it

for isntance

'My skills are highly flammable...You cant match up to this'

it simply draws attention can can help flow immensely

puff daddy never has moments...and he uses ghostwriters

also ure gay and dont ever degrade DMX or i will kill you and then tell chrit to kill you, all his lyrics are ill ure just too stupid to understand anything

^your going a bit far. although he is nice.
but flow is important. if your delivery is wack.. song is wack. lyrics. they can be ok and still have a hot track. beat is very important. no matter how good your lyrics are a wack beat will make the song wack. song is 80% delivery and beat 20%lyrics. thats real.

OK, I used to have DMX up in dere wit my fav Rappers untill his album 'Grand champ' dropped, don't get me wrong... all in all 'Grand Champ' was nice an I was bustin' nuff tunes from dat on my mini-disc (god bless it) but the amount of times I heard "suck my dick" screamed into my ear was kinda off... but he does have lyrics in his pad, jus needs to mature a bit in some aspects.

ANYWAY...

you people only mentioned doubling the voice... what about all dem effects an shit you hear in tha back round at times... is it possable to go over the top with it, or do you prefer it... everyone does it these days... therefore how much longer will people be gettin' away wit it???

A dope beat, a fire hook, and equal flow, wid some good wordplay and punchlines wid a few meta's and there ya go. If you can get feeling into your words while spitting it thats a big one, if you can do all that, you can be mainstream :)
~1~

But it's not only you're talent you gotta find...
(unless you can Rap an make beats)

^^True. I think you gotta get lucky in findin the right producer who understands your feelins and how you wanna sound on the track. Dont let the producer create the song. He/she doesnt feel what you feel.
Oh and coz I mentioned 'In Da Club' doesnt mean I'm a pop cat. I said it wasnt the best of songs but I've heard worse.

*cough,Nelly,cough,Ja,cough*

Nasty cough I've got there^^

Yeah LM. You catchin' my drift... Puff had a good flow on victoria (No way out) an dat tune wit Twister on forever... I don't catorgrise P.D coz I feelhe deserves everything he got, he works hard... good looks to him. Baron, I captured your peice too an wha you sayin' is very relevent (Music is dyin') you got a good producer that understands your ideas an concepts, why the hell would you not make it... contacts are easy t get.
me, not even made a tune (solo) that I feel was my best an its always down to the producer wit dem good beats that I ain't write my lyrics to.

Do you people find to easier to write lyrics to a beat???
When I do dis, I find the creativity in my words not on usual standard coz I'm concentrating more on flow rather than intelligent measages!!! feel me!!!

Erm dunno...tough question. I find most of the time that after the first line everythin comes easier coz you get a feel for how you want it to sound and flow. You get me? I think the opener is always the hardest. I find that a chorus is always hard aswell unless you got it written down somewhere.
But maybe writin to a beat is easier....sometimes. It depends on what mood your in and what type of beat it is...upbeat,slowbeat...whatever.
But if you got writers block then nothin works....damn I hate that shit

Yeah, I always find it so much easier to write to a slow beat... the chorus is always the hardest to pull off for me.

Yeah the chorus definatly and the openin line. I think once you get in the swing of things it's pretty simple....until you take a break. Tracks like 'Without me' and all those catchy irratatin songs must be so hard to write coz they dont come from the heart and there's no particular meanin to them. Thats why my open mics are truthful and dont take hours and hours to write. Coz once I get goin it comes easily. I usually have a beat in mind tho when I'm writin them so maybe a beat helps...I dunno. Just down to the individual I guess

Do you write texts up in here witan instrumental playin' in the backround??? I find my intellect work better when I feel hollow or alot of the time tierd... write a verse then hit the hay. That's me.

I have done before but not online. Just for my "book of rhymes" as the song goes. But usually before I start an open mic I have an idea of what message I wanna get across...which usually portrays what I'm feelin at that time. I just keep an imaginary beat or idea in my head while I'm writin and it usually works....wheras in battlin I just go without a beat and concentrate on punchin which is why my flow aint the best. But I put a lot more thought into open mic coz it means more coz it's my feelins and everythin I write is true.

p.s. In our battle you've only upped once...not twice. We get 5 each not all together

My bad... still ain't get no more votes on that battle, an now I can't uppin it all togther...

Anyone else got views on this topic? (what makes a good song?)