This sentence is false,
 

and I am lying to you.

discuss.

you never made a statement to judge.

this is a freeposting thread...

fuckwhit...

there is two statements to judge. It's not a freepost thread, well? Are you going to 'solve' it? I already have my conclusion, and if you want to look up the philosophy on your own ways to solve and conclude, then look it up. There are supposed many solutions, but none are fully explained to the point that they are a fully symbolic theory. This dilemma is over thousands of years old.

Well? Come on genius. Whatcha got?

this sentence is false and i am lying to you.

i dont need to look this up buddy, ill apply some simple logic.. if your telling me your lying then your telling me the truth about a non-existant subject matter making your sentence compleatly paradoxial and obviously false.

what other answers do you speak of..

just to humor me with your pathetic mental cognitive skills at comphrehending logic.

me and OMB used to fuck with hardcore paradoxial arguments and statements.. you wont catch me out with something so simple.......

"your telling me the truth about a non-existant subject matter making your sentence compleatly paradoxial and obviously false."

So if my sentence is false and I admit I'm lying in the same sentence then I'm telling the truth.

So therefore you haven't fully explained yourself. Keep going or was that it? Because if that's all, you fail quite obviously, and just so you know - this thread was for everybody. Not for your dumbass to parade in here acting king of the expected high horse. So shut the fuck up if you're not going to solve it. thanz.

you wont find a solution because there is none, just like every other stupid philosophical question, there are no conclusions, no right or wrong answers.

Is the universe finite or infinite?

What is the capacity of knowledge we can understand?

Is nothing something?

etc etc

Do you know the answer? No? CUZ THERE IS NO RIGHT ANSWER

man i hate philosophy so much that I love it to death

lol man dont be so easily fooled, there is a direct answer, people are just wrong and disagree.

there is one pessimistic conclusion and 4 optimistic conclusions and they all differ a little bit, my answer is very complex but I wanted more opinions than just someone's high self esteemed opinion.

So yes, wanna give this one a go or not?

Oh and ... all of those questions you asked have an answer.

Is the universe finite or infinite? - What context are you asking? Life or the universe? Life surely isn't infinite and all humans will eventually disappear. That is one thing I absolutely promise, even if humans figure out how to live forever, they will have to disappear. Though not as simple as that. It's written within in the philosophy book I'm writing.
Capacity of knowledge? - that which physically allows us capable of remembering. That doesn't include functionality.
is nothing something - yes and no, depending on the context.

However this thread is probably the only philosophical question which I have yet to come to an absolute conclusion in. I think I have it in my brain, but I haven't written it down. lol. You need to explain it in understandable language, otherwise it's just "oh it computes in my brain but I cant explain. sorry! bye" which is what baph is trying here. Can he explain it? Doubt it, but we'll see.

Those answers can be argued.

I mean the universe in general. Space. Does it have an ending point, or stretch on for eternity?

And nah, people have knowledge based on their subconcious which they don't remember. And what is the capacity of which we are able to remember things then? Is our brain able to store an infinite amount of knowledge? Or does it ever come to the point where we can't learn anymore?

Listen man, just because shit seems so hard to you, that doesn't make it hard for me. I'll debate it with a philosopher, you can keep hating philosophy for being too hard.

kidna of a cool question you got going


hmmmm


than again i suppose its how you are try to interept what it is about the sentence that makes it either correct or incorrect, obviously by english languarge standards it is not a statment...if you are taking the words for a meaning by which they are stating they are something...


I gotta jet right now, i just woke up to check my computer

but i all i can say is that i cant say its wrong, until i can prove that its not right

*nods head*
that is a dope response.

But please do take a second look later! We'll be waiting on others now.

that is a reasonable answer to a stupid question buddy..

sure though, let others give it a go... ultimatly they can only come to the same conclusion i did...

you had NO fucking conclusion.

"YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING SO YOU COULDN'T LIE ABOUT ANYTHING"

I said, "This sentence (subject) is false, and I (writer) am lying to you" the comma doesn't make it two separate sentences, it's the same sentence. So, explain yourself, all you did was say "HAHA YOUR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT NOTHING SO YOUR SENTENCE IS FALSE"

But I said my sentence was false. So your wild calculation must have been concluded from not thinking. So I asked you to explain yourself, and I very much hope people don't come up with the same conclusion as you.

lol


what i always find a funny is how people will throw complex words into sentences, not in order to bolster their statment or arguement....but in order to sound smarter than they really are


usally, when this happens...you know who ever is talking has no idea WHAT they are talking about



but hey, its like playing darts...sometimes when ya close your eyes, you may just hit a bulls eye

Shut the fuck you little bitch, just because it's too fucking hard to answer you pussy out.

I LOVE philosophy ya assuming mother fucker

DOES THE UNIVERSE STRETCH OUT TO INFINITY OR DOES IT HAVE A POINT IN WHICH YOU CAN TRAVEL NO FURTHER, IS IT INFINITE OR FINITE YA DUMB ASS QUESTION DODGING I THINK IM A PHILOSOPHER BUT IM JUST A STONER WITH BIG VOCAB AND NO INTELLIGENCE

fucking little bitch. Can't even answer the question so he disses me ahahaha

I BET YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WTF DIMETHYLTRYPTAMINE IS

some philosopher you are ya fucking moron, i've already discovered the secret to God being inside of us from studying dimethyltryptamine and dreams

I've written so many fucking philosophical reports and papers and I got 97% in college in my philosophy class, NINETY SEVEN WTF DID YOU GET PUNK

so if you wanna question dodge cuz you're a fucking pussy then for it

but dont you EVER, EVER think for a second you have a greater knowledge and understanding of philosophy, psychology, or epistemology then I do, and say i'm not a philosopher.

I proved you had no conclusions to my questions that could be deemed final or 100% correct.

You think the fucking answer to the question of what our capacity of knowledge is, is WHATEVER WE ARE ABLE TO REMEMBER!?

YOU FUCKING IDIOT. I'm not asking how much knowledge are we going to have before we do, i'm asking how much fucking knowledge is a human able to obtain. How much information can our brain store. AND GUESS WHAT, SHIT YOU DON'T REMEMBER IS STILL STORED IN THE BRAIN, AND IT STILL AFFECTS US SUBCONCIOUSLY

once you fucking learn something it stays with you and influences you forever. You obviously know NOTHING of that cuz you have no fucking idea about the subconcious. You have no fucking idea about the beings that exist within your subconcious and communicate with you everynight during heavyrem. You have no fucking clue about the secrets to the universe as I do because i've studied Terrence Mckenna, listened to his seminars, and i've read Dr. Rick Strassmans book. You should too since you have no fucking life. The spirit molecule, based off the clinical studies performed by Strasman under the supervision of the university of new mexico.

AND ILL CRUSH YOU ANY FUCKING TIME YOU WANNA CALL ME OUT ON NOT BEING A PHILOSOPHER AGAIN

ignorant fucking wannabe

lol @ dmt.

anyway, yeah, from all that, I can tell I know more than you.

and it's hilarious you're talking about crushing. No, hardly, in fact, never. Go away now tiny man.

in fact, lol, fuck you. Read my book when I release it. Maybe when you do, you'll see how stupid you're being now when you look back on yourself and reflect. I'm glad I keep a lot of the things I want to tell you to myself. :thumbup:

lol @ DMT?

What the fuck do you know about DMT? Tell me what you know, you don't know shit about it so don't just go "lol" and ignore everything I said

AND you still ignore the questions I asked you

you dodge everything, what's the matter, scared of me intellectually?

I'd say right now i'm a fucking towering giant, and you're the tiny, tiny, tiny little man

oh for fuck sake.. look. paradoxial propositions are for philosophical beginners to open their minds.. if your still messing with this type of crap then i pity you.. but ill give you some insight on your 'two statements'

you tell me your 'sentence is false'... and your 'lying to me'.

if your sentence is false, which having no other evidence or subject matter to go off we will have to take this as factual, then saying your lying to me is actually the truth. making your second statement a lie anyway.

and you can spiral that around in your mind rhetorically.

or you could laugh and realise what a dick you are for even pondering on this matter in the first place.

no you're a redundant idiot.

And nothing I say is going to convince you because the little people that are talking to you in your subconsciousness make you think you're a towering giant. :X

So yes, as I said, I'm keeping to myself. This is the second time I almost PMed you but decided not to. It's sad how much more intelligence I have than you. You need to sit down and think a bit more about everything. I feel very sorry for the product that you are. So, what was your philosophy teacher's name and from what school/university are they from?

Here I'll send you this one PM I was going to write earlier.

2v you can't even touch my intellectual prowess. I'm soooooooo beyond your fucking reach of intelligence bro. You can't even come close understanding or percieving things as I do. You're a fucking phony, i'm not going to read your book, you know why? Cuz mother fucking Nietzche and tolstoy and Loa Tzu have waaaayyy better shit for me to read than you do, ya fucking JOKE

Wrong. This is too complicated for you, lol. You're taking it rhetorically yourself because you're trying to differentiate the statements that is separated by a comma.

Here, just do it like this "This sentence is false." and leave out the second part, because that's what complicates it so much for you.

And no, it's not as easy as you're trying to make it.

I guess it's because I'm asking you to solve it, not describe it, Baphomet.

lol. alrighty then? Solve it. don't describe it. Solve, not describe.

you solve it...

waste your time and ill tell you why you COULD be wrong...

this is for students of philosophy.. it IS rhetorical.. its designed to make people use deductive reasoning and spiral a paradox inside their minds so they can clear it of misconceptions that everything is logical.

2v you constantly have defence mechanisms lined up for me when i ruin your parade.. call me what you like, see if it actually bothers me buddy......

ok idiot moron loser asshole

anyway thanks for all your opinions. I'll be waiting on more people's views.

This is a study for my own damned personal gain. Everything I do tends to gain beef because all i do is commence name calling when someone hops on a high horse

i really need to fix that self problem. lol

a simple froydian principle for you.. people often express distaste towards traits among others that they themselves also posess.

think about that and remember it.

I disagree with what that guy preached, especially in that area of things..

Here's one my father told me,

"If you don't trust someone it's because you don't trust yourself"

I think it holds water but it's rather stupid and needs to be more intricately explained...

..... so.... "If you dislike a specific trait, you're likely a hypocrite" eh ? ...

alright. .......

philosophy been fucking with my head more then ever these past few months, I think it's because i've gone through a lot more shit in the past few months and actually cared when I did as oppose to when I never used to, combined with how i've learned and discovered more these past few months then I have throught my entire life. Iunno, I think it's the sudden rush of an infinite amount of thoughts and theories and ideas in my head and my new found ability to learn and my broader capacity to learn that came with aging. But I don't know how it's possible to be really depressed yet the happiest i've ever felt in a long time. I think it's cuz my compassion in general has just gone up as high that shit I normally wouldn't care about, I do now, to the point I get real happy or real sad over it. Shit's fucked up.. I can't figure out even if I like it better like this or how it was before... I don't really care, I still got years and years to go and an amazing girl in my life and life going smooth

I'm also pretty fucked up high, and haven't slept since the day before yesterday....

random but yea... just felt like saying that...

who'd a guess that


'This sentence is false,'

could spark this much fagness

quiet down coca cola man...

i tried to close his thread but he insisted on being made to look like a fool... so this is the product..

Baph, its shit like this....n no hate towards JTR...he knows i'm cool with him, is what makes these threads completely filled with garbage


becuase it goes from a debate, and question...to a pussy fit about who thinks they know more about school

like, if we all wanted to list credentials, im sure we can....

but its not like 2v was stating that he knew more than anyone else, he just asked a question...and people gotta turn threads into bitch matches

but word :spit:

everyone who doesnt have friends is a loser.
2v doesn't have friends.

solve it rofl

There's no right answer to this, no matter how you take it.

This Sentence Is False, - Your telling me that the sentence your speaking of is totally untrue therefore in no way could I believe it.
And I'm Lying To You - In context, if you said this to someone the simple answer is that even though you told me the sentence was false, by directly telling me your a liar afterward then the sentence would be true.

But, if you take the double speak into account then it becomes a paradox which can't technically be solved because you could never make everyone believe that your telling the truth if your a liar.
No matter how hard you try to convince people that there is a definite answer someone will always debate it because you've directly told them that you can't be trusted.

There is no answer to questions like this, its like the one about going into the past and killing your grandfather, would you exist?

Every time LM posts...i can't stop starin @ his sigunature

LOL Why is that? ha

Once again you're taking baphomet's approach, LM- and trying to split up the comma.

Here, let me simplify it for you:

"This sentence is not true."

I don't need to add the part "and I'm lying to you."

Let me break it down guys, you have to talk about language itself, if you're going to even coherently explain your way out of the liar sentence. You have to re-fix language, to get out of the paradox. You don't have to suggest it's absurd as going into the past or future, lol.

2v is a loser.......................fucking right... bout time

Right and that equation would hold water if "everyone who doesn't have friends is a loser" was true.

Sadly it's not true.

And "2v doesn't have friends" is neither true nor false. Who knows? certainly not you two retards.

I'm simply stating my belief dude.

I believe there is no definite answer to any question that's based on a person's morals.
If your particular morals are that your a habitual liar.
You could still find someone who says your honest.

Therefore, any question that presents a paradox or anything of the sort. Has two answers, the sentence could be true that your lying, or it could be true that that sentence is false.

Either way there's no way to definitely solve the riddle.

The pessimistic approach is to claim that there is no solution to the riddle.

The optimistic approach is to blame language.

For example, the common belief in language is that language is either true or false, especially statements. Saul Kripke declared that there is true, false, and (NEITHER), claiming that the liar paradox was neither true nor false, and that the sentence is at its most basic form supposed to be true or false, but by having a direct subject it would be taken to a higher level of truth or a lower level of falsity, whereas it remains at the same level due to the paradox, and is neither true nor false. therefore (neither) statements exist.

It's an optimistic view of language but there are other views also. lol.

thanks for your insight LM.