How often do you do something for no reason?
 

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Never..........

Why not?

Because its impossible........

Its impossible to do something pointless?

Name one time youve done something thats truely pointless..

Lots of times... Well for one, all the times ive meditated.

I once had a conversation with the way a strip of toilet paper fell and a sound that my bathroom blinds made.

I bounce a tennis ball around my place because I feel like it.

I lie down out of nowhere.

I sit outside.

I spin around on my office chair.

Are you saying that that stuff has a point? Its just playing around..

In that one sentence, you both imply it has no point and then give it a point.

Playing around is pointless, its not a point. It doesnt matter, its meaningless, useless.

If its something you do.. There is a reason why your brain elected to do that thing, possibly from past experience on things to do while wasting time. Everything has a point man.... Just like everything in the universe is ordered............... ... ... .. ..... .. . ..

This is the defintion of pointless as im referring to it:

3. without force, meaning, or relevance.

I do a lot of pointless things. And I dont do them to waste time, they aren't a waste of time.

It be relevant to the list of things you did during a certain period of time?

The meaning is that these are the activities your mind has decided to partake in during a certain time..

And seeing as though you wouldnt do this stuff if you didnt decide to do it and take action towards doing it............Youve forced yourself..

But I didnt decide to do it... I just did it.

Its not like I go "hmm, yes, I think in a few minutes I might wander around aimlessly and lie down on the floor. Followed by a short session of talking with an inanimate object or bouncing a ball."

Havent you ever just gone, bang, and felt like doing something then done it? For no reason at all? Absolutely no reasoning behind the decision, doing something completely illogical?

Aside from the fact that for the reason you can define those activities as 'playing around', gives it a meaning..

Nah.. I dont really ever do things unless I have a reason...

Playing around has no meaning... Its pointless.

You should try it sometime.

Its only pointless if you look at it superficially...

Actually, its quite the contrary.

Pointless things are one of the rare things that arent superficial in the "reality" of our society.

They are superficial in the way you can glaze over them and say they are pointless when infact you did them as a natural reaction when the opportunity arised.

Nos has you on this one OMB

never. i mean, not once ever. everything i do or say has a purpose and intention behind it.

I find it odd... You said before you never do anything for no reason. So you're out of your comfort zone here. I do pointless things all the time. In fact my life has no point. I thought you were smarter than acting as if you know all about things that are outside your scope of experience? (Not that im trying to imply im better than you or anything, pointless things are exactly what their name states. Unconstructive, illogical, meaningless, without value.)

I dont understand where you get superficial from. Pointless things are far from superficial, in fact they are at the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Did them as a natural reaction when the opportunity arised? What does that even mean?

A natural reaction to what? And what "opportunity?" If they were a natural reaction, everybody would be doing them. And there is no opportunity, because you can do them whenever you want. Actually, you do pointless things out of the blue. That is IF they really are pointless.

I mean people go for walks, play sports, make music, fool around, but usually its for a point and not truly pointless. For example instead of walking for the sake of walking or sitting for the sake of sitting, they do it to gain something (fitness or whatever it may be). Or they have rests in between periods of work not purely to relax or rest, but so that they can work more efficiently when they get back to working.

What I gather from this post..

Is that you feel your life is somehow enlightened by some non-conceptual method of performing random acts that nobody but yourself can understand.

Followed by a bunch of hypotheticals that ultimatly end up purposeful..

By the way.. You still havnt told me anything you do thats truely random...

What I gather form your post... Is that you read way too much into things!

I know those hypotheticals end up purposeful, that was the point of me mentioning them. Do you mean that even if they were done for no reason instead of some alterior motive, they would still have a purpose?

By your philosophy, nothing I ever do is random. But its possible for me to do pointless things out of the blue.

By my philosophy.. Nothing you ever do is random or pointless.

OK, howbout if I walk? Not for any particular reason. Not to get somewhere. Not for exercise. Not even for the sake of walking. I just... Walk.

You'd be walking to prove a point......

No, I have actually done that before. Any example I give you is a real thing that has happened, not something I simply would do.

So why did I walk?

There would be a deeper psychological reason possibly even beyond your knowledge of how your brain works that caused you to do this thing.

^ because signals in your brain told your legs to move and you obviously had a destination that you wanted to be at even if it was to get up, walk in 75 circles and sit down in the exact same spot...there's a reason as to why you did that and that's to do it it's not accidental or random...you just, did it...and DEEP down there's a reason to why you did it no matter how pointless it may seem

P.S: by telling us about "pointless" things you claim to have done...you've now given those examples a reason because you have now made this thread...

so if anything you're reason for doing things for no reason is to tell us about them

and if you actively hide things

then you're reason for doing things for "no reason" is to actively not tell us about them...

Pointless - Without force, meaning, or relevance.

Even if there were some reason like that (which is a long shot), it still isnt relevant. It has no point whatsoever if I just walk. There is no meaning or relevance behind the action.

How about I throw a spanner in the works...

You said you, at some previous time.....just got up, and walked with no destination or reason for walking.

And now, at a later time... You are using its reference in an argument.

So ask yourself.. Was it ever pointless to begin with?

Signals in my brain telling my legs to move is HOW it happened, not the reason it happened.

No, no destination. No reason. I just walked.

What about something I havent mentioned?

The notion of me doing those things purely so that I can use them now in this argument is absurd.

It is you yourself that preaches the idea of time being merely a human concept attempting to create order among chaos.

Why should the distance between the time you did this thing, and the time you used its reference come into play in your mind?

As for something you havnt mentioned.. Your obviously thinking about those instances that you 'could' use.. Doesnt that mean they too...........have a point?

Oh, trust me. You dont want to bring my beliefs into this.

There is no point in using a pointless act to prove a meaningless point in a pointless argument.

look in my edited post

i'll think you'll find the answer there

Is this pointless?

Possibly this is the point where you ask yourself

OK, what about long after this? If im still doing things for no reason, ive long forgot not only this thread but RV as well.

Whats the reason for them then?

Saying what you're saying is like saying that the only reason you eat is so that in 10 years you will still be alive. Of course thats not the reason you eat, the reason you eat is youre HUNGRY.

Of course its pointless.

Now nos, dont go trying to use that against me. It would be... "wack". ;)

It seems as though you glaze over life and choose to neglect the finer details..