"The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins
 

... Have you read it?

Don't...

Not because I don't want you becoming atheists who follow a man that lowers himself to insults when people don't agree with his belief in the universe, or simply his 'disbelief in God(s)', but because of his historical backround.

Not because he refers to Atheism as a group like those of prosecuted Women, Black and/or Foreign Folk that were once sold, or 'Gays', but because this man once OWNED SLAVES IN AFRICA. He is not from the U.S., or Great Britain (Uk Area, Which Most In America Would Just Assume Because Of His Accent). He grew up pretty wealthy considering his place in the world and what his parents had. Apparently somewhere along the way he did a lot of reading, studying, and clarifying, to become what he is now. He's a pretentious-bound man who, if can't get things right and impress, changes the subject and goes on the offense. He can't explain his way out of everything, but his philosophy is somewhere along the lines of "Science Explains All".

Please tell me how he is not just using tricks to get to society on this scale?

Great job, he made friends, and they happen to be scientists. It's great he's bringing science into our world, but we DO NOT have to stop Religion from being a part of our culture.

No more Christmas celebrated in schools, or the word "Easter Bunny" being used on Easter in public gatherings that are official.

I think he's one of the side-causes that America doesn't use it's Holidays as celebratory as they once were used. Since their are too many opposing Religions, he decides it's best to just not make up your mind or shut all of them out. Yes Society can survive by itself without needing Religion to keep it safe, but WHO THE FUCK THINKS THAT THEY ARE SMARTER JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE AN ATHEIST? lmfao. It's become a cheering thing or a sort of rally cry to this faggot.

Please tell me what everyone else is seeing in him and I'm not?

All welcome to debate as long as you have heard a little about his newest book,
"The God Delusion".

By the way, I myself am Agnostic.

I have a belief and see a current use in Religion, but I also see and understand the views of science.

However I don't agree with the view that science is logic. Because if science was simply Logic, wouldn't we know everything by now? lmao...

alright. peace.

You obviously are lost.
You haven't realized the most important fact.
This man is defending tooth and nail his viewpoint on life and creation.
He is writing and fighting stubbornly without really having a real conversation about the subject.
But, there is one important thing you need to realize.
That this man is indeed an Atheist concerning the existence of a god.
But he is also part of a religion itself.
He is a part of the Scientific religion.
These scientists will destroy any other opposing ideas.
And if any ideas that are unexplainable to them comes up, then they will ignore it or change the subject...
It is almost the same as Christianity or any other religion except those groups have adopted the idea of faith to explain what they can't.
Being the way science is constructed(solely on facts and nothing else) they can't adopt a term such as "faith", so the only way they can react is through violence and being stubborn (Which is how societies that are based on science react to things as well.)

I agree that science can go along with faith.
But I myself am agnostic as well though I also believe in the Christian moral system.

So you sat there and agreed 100% with me, but called me "lost"?

roflmfao

The definition of a religon =/= destroying other view points



What are they supposed to say, 'Almighty Science did it'? And I don't know what two retarded children in scientist uniforms you're talking about, but you're pulling supposed facts out of your ass, like, say, stating things like they try and ignore the unexplainable. Excuse me? If something unexplainable that comes up, they try to address it, and if they're big enough they may get a Noble Prize for it. I'm sure they're going to pass that up because scientists are all minions of a grand conspiracy that follow their great Book of Scientific Viewpoint that says if you don't agree with everything in it you'll burn forever in a chamber of malfunctioning computers and live wires.

To be honest, religion and science are the same shit.

Fundamentally, both haven't explained anything.

You too, are a man who just 'lowered' yourself to petty insults you fucken hippocrit... I should pretty much leave it at that seeing as youve killed your credibility even before the quarter mark of your post..

And for your information, the book isnt written because 'people didnt agree with his views'... Actually a large section of the book is devoted to showing how the majority of well educated people actually DO agree with his views these days.. Even giving light to studies that show generally the more intelligence and education found in a group of people the less religion is likly to be found... Which is so blindingly fucking true if you care to think about it..

The book really is an extremily well written rebuttal and systematic dismissal of the bullshit perpectuated by people that are hopelessly stuck in the excessivly antiquated dogmatic realm of mainstream religion.

Aside from christmas being a commercialised festival where we tend to forget that it originated as a pagan sun worshipping date and instead flounder around humoring christians and more-so realising the personal value of giving and recieving gifts and spending time with family, nothing youve mentioned is fitting for a persuasive argument to keep religion in our culture..

Science may not yet explain all, however science is logic....... whereas religion is simply an illogical proposal that humanity clings to because it was there from our humble beginnings as primative fucking morons eager to halt progression in the name of dogmatic faith from the dark ages.

I dont particuly give a sideways fuck on your perspective of richard dawkins as a human being.. Personally I prefer to read his book unbiased and see the logic behind his words rather than foolishly dismiss what he says as a result of prejudgement due to my own belief's..

And I seriously recommend people DO read this book.. Dont let some fucking half whit on the internet prescribe your feelings towards it for you.. Make up your own damn mind.

Science isn't always right, period. There are things science can't explain or haven't explained yet, period.

Now tell me I'm wrong, please.

Saying "Science will be able to prove everything at some point." is the equivalent of faith in my book. It EASILY sounds like "Religion doesn't define a true meaning of life, but once we die we will find out."

At LEAST religion gives it's followers a chance of living a life of wonder trying to communicate and grow and come into touch with themselves and everything around them. All I've seen science do is ask why we'd want to do such a thing.

Science isn't always right, period. There are things science can't explain or haven't explained yet, period.

Religion isn't always right, period. There are things religion can't explain or are shit at explaining, period.

There. Same shit. Of course there is the unknown, that is the basis of life. That is what all of religion points to, is the big hole in our knowledge. We can study particles, and molecules, and atoms, and neutrons, protons and electrons, saying that that is what everything is made of. We will probably go even deeper in the future and discover what the smallest shit is made of. But to be honest, that doesn't explain a thing. They can explain how the particles move, and that they are made of whatever... But underlying that is a big WTF. Why are they moving, why are they there, why does everything happen... No matter how deep you go you can't answer that.

In my opinion the realest religions are Buddhism (zen and chan) and Taoism. I believe in them wholeheartedly. What they tell me isn't hard to believe. Basically, condensed into a single statement, it's:

"You want to know things? You'll never know. Give up and you'll save yourself a lot of grief. btw, here is how to attain contentment and true happiness, if you want it. *sits down comfortably in a scenic location and has a smoke* I love the vibe of cats and flowers, among other things lol."

That is seriously what it essentially is.

edit: Oh, I forgot to say that in my experience, studying these kinds of philosophical schools made it easier for me to understand the true message of most other religions ESPECIALLY christianity.

I understand and agree completely.

What seems to keep getting lost here is that I'm posting not because I disagree with what's being said, but more often how it's being said and presented. Like, I'm not trying to represent the opposing side, but offer it. That's how I've been posting in most of these threads lately. I don't mind if people disagree with something, as long as they're doing it for the right reasons.

I know what you mean... I often get stuck defending Christianity, against Christians of all people -_-.

I work with a homophobe who ends up making it seem like I'm defending gay people all the time. You can imagine how that goes over.

good thread man.....good thread

read it all.....

and i myself don't believe in god or science....

i'd lean towards science, but am defo not a Scientolagist or wtf ever

usta consider myself a taoist actualy...

good philosophy

Nos broke this down well...and Tur brought a lil enlightenment

hah

1ne

Calling Richard Dawkins a faggot doesn't make me a "hippo-crit" (By the way, it's Hypocrite) and isn't 'lowering myself' in any way for me to be able to call his book such. Your opening attempt at calling me a failure basically made your whole post just that. You didn't have your right ideas from the beginning. You are welcome to try again in a less petty way though..

That was stupid as FUCK. Do you know what scientology is?