Question for christians....
 

Right.. So weve all heard the story of moses going up into the hills and bringing back stone tablets only to find his people had made idols and started praying to them right...

And this is supposidly a really bad sin...

I have to know, why is it that you guys now think its alright to make statues and paintings out of the human philosopher Yeshua Bin Yosef and prey to him rather than god himself? Why should Jesus forgive your sins rather than god? Why should Jesus be let into your heart rather than god? Why should you have false images and statues of this ancient philosopher which you worship over the actual creator of the universe?

Are you really of the opinion that Jesus was an aspect of the very deity that created the universe? You do realise it wasnt till 300 years after when the roman empire proclaimed Jesus as being god that your religion all of a sudden decided their prophet was the one and only time that god has appeared on earth in the form of a human being (yeah right), how would they know? Remembering these are the same people who have been proved wrong countless times such as when they proclaimed the earth was flat and anyone who said different was a heretic.. Or when they decided hell was just below the ground and heaven was just above the clouds, the stars are just an overlaid flat image ontop of the atmosphere.. When they burnt all knowledge that didnt co-inside with their ancient jewish texts and let nobody else read them except for their priests..

I mean fuck dude.... How can you even begin to think its right to back these guys? You cant even prove that Jesus died for our sins... For all you know, the crucifixion could have very well been punishment handed down by god himself for sins commited by you know who...

Your stories seem real fishy to me like your all just being brainwashed and controlled into thinking these things are just how it is.. And why? Because some priests told you?

It really does interest me as to why you guys are all so certain that your on the right team... Is it a matter of just.......picking one school of thought and sticking with it? Or do you believe youve had some sort of spiritual experience and know so vividly that christianity is the right religion (keeping in mind in the 1600's people also KNEW SO VIVIDLY in their own minds that world communism was an inevidible path of progression and any other form of government just wouldnt work)..

I've made threads like this before, but it really annoys me how I can never actually get ONE straight answer from you people...Christians seem to just see this type of logical analysis and blabber on either about some scripture in the bible or try to tell me their life storys, but NEVER, and I mean NEVER have I ever gotton one answer from you guys as to WHY you actually think your backing the right team answered properly and logically. You either crap on like theres no tomorrow or choose some tiny part of the post and attack it as though it was the only thing said...

How about this time you actually say something in the way of informing me, clearly as to why you think christianity is the one true religion.. As to why you believe so literally that Jesus is god.. And if you arnt a moron and do believe jesus was a man, why do you pray to him over god?

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Why ask a question then answer it for yourself in the thread?

I don't think you want an answer. I think you want to rave.




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First non-straight answer from a christian.

Who woulda thought.

^^Well...5 paragraphs hardly qualifies as a "question" for Christians.






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Ok.

One line.

Why do you believe christianity is the one true religion?

I've wondered this also. The emphasis on Jesus definetly isolates Christianity from other religions as the sole path to God. Hensing the phrase "Jesus is the only path to God".

You say question and then include multiple questions. -_-

Jesus being prayed to and "idolized" is done in the thought of Jesus being part of God as a whole, you answered that yourself. In answering how do we know they're right, we don't, but how do YOU know there was? The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence but the addition of evidence is not the proclimation of truth. What we believe and have faith in is just like what you believe and have faith in, where's the logical proof that what you believe is the absolute truth?

(Yes this is my personal story because you're asking why I think I'm making the right choices.) As for knowing that I'm with the right "team", I don't know shit, I believe and have faith that I am, that's all. When I pray and have faith and try to be a good Christian things go better for me than not. There have been too many times when I've been down and out just to be saved by something I can't explain and refuse to discern as luck or coincidence. Stop thinking everything can be conceived by logic, there is something inside that moves me to believe that Christianity is right, even if the leaders of it may be quacks. Just because you're hungry doesn't mean you need to sit down and ask yourself, "Logically, why do I have the urge to eat food?", you just do, and if you're wrong for it, that's on you and nobody else.

I come to all my decisions based on logic.

Which is why I refuse to believe something just because a church group tells me that its the truth. You do make some good points in this paragraph, and you also backed my argument in recognising the fact that you literally dont know if what you believe is right or not. This leads me to believe that you have basically just picked a religion and decided to stick with it, be it your choice, or just what you fell into from childhood. Which is fine, there are plenty of people in the world who can benefit from the idea that religious groups have it all worked out, but ofcourse, when push comes to shove; their really just taking a stab in the dark and hoping it works out for them.

In my eyes, there is absolutly no proof jesus has anything to do with god. Its natural for his followers to come to this conclusion because he was obviously an amazingly talented philosopher and public speaker whom they loved unconditionally and wanted nothing more than to glorify his legacy. But throughout time, there have been countless people of exactly the same caliber of intelligence as Yeshua Bin Yosef possessed 2000 years ago. Are they all avatar's of god? The only difference between them and Jesus is the Christian church itself refuses to recognise them as an aspect of god. And on a logical basis, there is absolutly nothing further than word of mouth to say the christian church is the sole authority on this subject. So logically, there is no reason to believe them.

And to be honest with you.. Its kind of even beyond plausability due to the church's tattered and dirty history when it comes to informing people what to believe and what not to. They have been proved wrong so many times, its kind of like saying "hey, as long as we stick to our guns, maybe one day well get something right"...

You can say logic is not ultimate... But I can safly say, nothing that I believe in this life hasnt been compleatly tested under tight conditions. Anything that isnt fully backed up with solid evidence, I classify as a 'theory'. And you do realise, that if god ever did come to earth in a solid viewable form, only people like me will be happy.. Because in a world with so many different views and belief's based on nothing more than 'faith' in what a church has told you.... The truth will never be able to keep everyone happy.


Yes, unexplainable things happen in this universe all the time. But when you attribute them to 'christianity'... Thats called a baseless assumption...

As for that 'thing inside you that moves you to believe christianity is right'



I wasnt joking either... I've seen a lot of documentrys on communism through these periods.. There have been countless failed experements from countless visionarys that believed in themselves so faithfully that their communist communitys would be somewhat of a utopia.. None of which succeeded. And all their followers always either lost faith and moved, or died trying to protect their vision.

Everyone is taking a stab in the dark with anything they have faith in, that's what I said already. I didn't originally choose Christianity, I was born into it, and the doctrines and lessons I have learned through it lead me to believe that it is a true religion. I'm not a classic Christian though, and you know that. Whether it is a huge religion like Christianity or whatever you or anyone else believes, it's ALL just a shot in the dark, we're dealing with something nobody has absolute proof of so whatever experiences lead you to whatever choice you make is what forms your opinions.

About Jesus, there isn't proof, but there isn't proof of most things that we can fully test if you think about it. For all we know we're a television show for the universe created by some aliens and shit (a la a certain South Park episode) and EVERYTHING we've been taught is complete bullshit. Someone believing that Jesus was a part of God is the same as someone believing gravity will always work, there is no proof that gravity will ALWAYS work, there's just reason to believe that it will, just like there's no proof Jesus was part of God, there is reason to believe he is. How credible the reasons may seem is all a question of perspective and what you actually have knowledge of.

As for what I bolded...

What you call a baseless assumption I call faith in my experience. Like I said, it's all a matter of perspective. You live in a world where everything must be proven to you and I don't, who says either of us is right? It's like you meeting the girl of your dreams and her saying she loves you but you not believing it until she gives her life for you. If everything must be proven to you for you to believe it, you're going to miss a lot.

And then the communism thing...

People have believed a lot of things throughout history and some were right and some were wrong. Pointing out one that was wrong doesn't mean that anything being believed is ludicrous and wrong, because I could point out those who thought the Earth revolved around the sun, were THEY wrong?

That's all. :(

So, weve now learnt a few things about you..


You dont believe in science because there could be aliens controlling us all even though scientific observations always seem to check out when they are tested over, and over, and over, and over again by independant parties.

You dont know if what you believe is right, but you choose to believe it anyway because its what youve been taught since you were born and you oppose using logic to make educated decisions.

And you believe even though religion seems to get it wrong in every scientific testable front whenever they decide to stick to a primative opinion, you live on the notion that.......Since you cant prove them wrong on things with no obserable evidence (things that science doesent really care about) theres a slim chance they could be correct... So you give them your full allegiance.

Interesting...


BTW-- I'm very happy with my life right now... I dont need my girl to die for me because I already know she loves me.. And I am just as much of a philosopher as the next guy, I have a solid capacity to theorize about subjects with no proof, but I do logically analyse every peice of information I intake because my mind works scientifically and science is an extremily skeptical order...

I cant say christianity is wrong and I dont. However on a straight up probability factor, its a lot more likly they are compleatly bogus than 100% unfailably correct. Which is why I like to analyse certain aspects of your religion and pose questions to people to find out exactly how they can explain certain elements of their religion that just dont seem to add up.

Just like, in scientific terms, we as a species have absolutly no understanding of how the moon came to be. Some people would tell you a planet the size of mars crashed onto the earth at some point early in the last 4.5 billion years shooting off a bunch of light matter that formed as a secondary gravitational pull slowing the earth's rotation forming an inhabitable planet.

But, unfortunatly.. There are plenty of reasons why this simply could not have happened logically.. Therefore our best explenation of why the moon is here, is compleatly logically flawed and our currant theory is simply the 'least wrong' in a sense.

This, I believe is the same situation we are faced with in religion. Some very smart philosophers take some educated stabs in the dark, the mindless public follows their word and over the countless generations exposed to these belief's, our species slowly grows to the point of no longer viewing this information a theory, and groups of idiots begin to think its 100% literal.

I dont disprove anything religion tells me. I simply view it as a theory rather than fact. And like I've been talking about, the validity of these theorys I calculate reletive to historical information to find the probability of them being correct.

And to be honest with you.. A lot of christian views really dont rate that high.

Man you got me soooooo wrong. I do believe that science holds a lot of the answers but it's not flawless. Just because science says something is one way doesn't mean that it is for sure, that's all I'm saying. I believe what I believe because I believe it's right, that doesn't mean it is. You're making it sound like I'm a christian just for the fuck of it. As for religion, science has tried to disprove it sooooo many times, how could you say science doesn't care about it? lmao, you of all people.

Don't try to make me sound like a bad person just because I don't overanalyze everything that comes my way like you do. Lots of shit doesn't add up in lots of areas other than religion but you constantly fuckin badger anyone who is religious, that's bogus man, especially when you say you don't hate the religion. Go question some other shit and get off the subject of Christianity if nothing anyone can say will appease you enough to just stfu for a change. =/

Let me ask.. When were you born, what month and date.

November 3rd 1988

Yeah, sounds about right....

Scorpios dislike change... You have a set range of belief's and dont like to be told your wrong or corrected.. Which is why you dislike me arguing logically on what you believe through faith.

I understand that man... But I cant relate... If you want to believe things with no observational evidence, I'm not gonna stop you.........

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I don't like being told I'm wrong but when I am I admit it. Until you can prove to me through observational evidence I am, no thanks.

Holler.