I personally think that murder is definitally right in some cases. for instance, in Gunman's example, i reckon it would be perfectly ok for him to kill the rapist because said rapist is gonna give his kid some serious problems, fuck her head up for a long period of time and just generally ruin her life. she'd have problems trusting most men for the rest of her life. likewise, in some instances eye for an eye is fair. people who are just psychotic and kill for the pleasure of it, or to 'see what it's like' are all obviously insane, and tehy're gonna be no changing them. when tehy come out of jail that's it for them. in some cases though, punishment in a more long term fashion is nescessary. harold shipman for instance, took his own life to end his imprisonment. if he felt his life sucked enough to kill himself, it was a good punishment. a good way of punishing truly evil people, in my opinion tehn, is probably to just find out what they hate teh most in the world, and subject them to it. only in extreme cases though. as for somebody killing somebody who's robbing them at gunpinot when teh robber dropped the gun, that's not fair. somebody woudn't intentionally go out to kill somebody when they're mugging them. cos it's a crap idea. sometimes it does happen though. in this instance the best thing to do morally would be to scare the shit out of them and hope they never do it again. little known fact, but did nevody else know the moment you feel physically threatened by somebody, u can defend yourself. so if somebody tells you they're gonna break you're nose, ur legally entitled to use 'adequate' force to defend yourself. so u could, in fact, punch they're face in as long as you don't hit em whilst they're showing obvious signs of giving up. cool eh?