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Originally Posted by varentao
Lethargic: I've skim read some of your posts.
Do you think the social structure is there to support these people if they don't have abortions? And/or the overall state-economic structure?
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Actually I do. I understand where you're coming from here. However, due to my breakdown of Phate's numbers before following statistics related to the breakdown afterwords...the state-economic structure wouldn't be all that hard pressed. There are many ways you can cover the situation with budget cuts on funds of lower necessity vehicles. To be honest, after the statistical cuts to the overall number of babies that would have been born, I don't think anything to that extreme would be needed.
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Are we are that stage of evolution where we can take substantial responsibility for such actions? You know, with this relatively free will we now have.
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I think our society and its people have definitely reached that stage. It's just a matter of them taking action. We're more then able of being CAPABLE of taking the substantial responsibility.
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I guesss it's about valuation. How does one value one thing over the other. Career/partying/money over raising child/giving birth. I guess this relates to social/state structure n whatnot. As well as the evolution of the mind. And the overall mental capacity of that individual (not all are strong enough...or at least do not believe they are strong enough. And for them to realise that strength could take a lot).
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Why should the mind-state of one person be a deciding factor?(I realize there is more than one person, but I think you know what I'm getting at)
Is not our first priority the continuation of life? Maybe not as an individual..but as a whole?
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I see it as the line theory. Many of the lines are uneven. Very few connect or on the same level. So until they come closer together. Or actually 'connect' or are on the same level, you'll get things like this.
Which can be strived towards using such things as improved awarness (both pre-sex and when in pregnant), better society...
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I agree. We do need to strive towards it by utilizing awareness programs etc. I also understand that not everyone is on the same level. However, is that not the whole point of awareness programs...to bring those that aren't on the same level up to the level desired?
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I most definetly understand and appreciate your point of view. I agree with alot of it. But it's about the 'human' element. The social element. Which must be looked at before placing the 'nobility' of responsibility of such things onto it.
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I know exactly what you mean, but if you ask me...it's the Human and Social element which brings that very nobility into the issue.
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The methods to do so are arguable. But to impose it in this day and age could be a mistake.
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Point noted. I still don't agree. Then again, if the world agreed, then this would be utopia, and this conversation would have never begun.