Depends on how you look at it. See, according to this site. Vets = Evolve, MM, 13th, Taktik, Walter, Feebs, Avalon, Sureal, hell...even myself to some people. the problem is...to other sites, we would all be jokes...and if you don't believe me, I can introduce you to those sites. You'd be banned after your first battle, but it's whatever you want to do. So, I guess it's just a matter of what kind of 'vet' you're referring to.