yall stupid....no 1 can out flow jay z.....man eminem couldnt outflow jay z and eminem can tear up joe budden.....he comes out with some weak shit about pump pump pump it up? wtf is that....u'll know the differ between R O C and joe budden when u listen to them rap....ROC spits about whats real and touch ur lifes....jay's songs half of em are all real...and u cant compare some1 like joe budden with jay z and ROC....JAY Z CREATED HIMSELF...WHEN HE 1ST came out and wanted a deal every record label turned him down....he created ROC with dash......so unless JOE BUDDEN CAN GET TURNED DOWN BY ALL GOOD LABELS AND MAKE IT AND BECOME AS SUCCESSFUL AS JAY Z IS THEN YEA THEN U CAN TALK.....till then shut ur ass's up...u remember JAY Z CREATED HIS EMPIRE ALONE AND CAME 2 THE TOP.....JOE BUDDEN IS BEIN HELPED by a record label....think about that...pce