im saying.. just cause it dont have crazy multis and wordplay and shit dont make it bad rap... battle rap, pop rap, and hip hop are totaly different genres.... and yea i would buy there CD.. to bump in the car,.. now when im chillen at home on the computer, or on my stereo,then i bump the underground shit/type... but its not bad rap.. its just made for different purposes.. u cant compare a club joint to a serious, "rap" joint.. they arent meant to be on the same level.. and hip aint going no where... rap is just a small portion of hip hop... and who ever said usher is dumb, lmao-stop hating.. usher is pretty sick.. nice voice, would get more pussy than u even if he wasent famous.. <-- thats word.. any one sane knows that 1. usher gets u some play on slow songs.. 2. his music isnt gay, its RnB... not rap.. not meant to be bumped in ya car if uy a dude.. 3. how did usher come into this thread ??lol...

and da point... u are stupid... u said the best rappers are:
eminem, obie, 50 cent, ja rule, naz and kanya west.
^eminem used to be sick.. hes gay now...
50 cent has flow and nothing else... hes aight. better than average..
ja rule sings on his rap songs.. mmmk
nas is sick
kanye is coo.. he got flow.. better than average...

but they all farrrr from the best..

royce da 5'9 would slay all of em.. in freesyles, and prolly songs to.. (and all u eminem junkies would say no ur smoking... listen to the 10 minute cypher EM and roye had.. it was a while back when eminem was actually good and hungry for rap... royce DESROYED em.. royce had many many quotables, while em said bullshit..)..
Rakim is still good to me.. his old stuff is way better..
LL is aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight......
to me Jins freestyles are pretty dope.. there bassically songs tho...
theres hella many more its jsut early and nothing is comming ot mind...

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