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Originally Posted by Logic.
Everyone is taking a stab in the dark with anything they have faith in, that's what I said already. I didn't originally choose Christianity, I was born into it, and the doctrines and lessons I have learned through it lead me to believe that it is a true religion. I'm not a classic Christian though, and you know that. Whether it is a huge religion like Christianity or whatever you or anyone else believes, it's ALL just a shot in the dark, we're dealing with something nobody has absolute proof of so whatever experiences lead you to whatever choice you make is what forms your opinions.
About Jesus, there isn't proof, but there isn't proof of most things that we can fully test if you think about it. For all we know we're a television show for the universe created by some aliens and shit (a la a certain South Park episode) and EVERYTHING we've been taught is complete bullshit. Someone believing that Jesus was a part of God is the same as someone believing gravity will always work, there is no proof that gravity will ALWAYS work, there's just reason to believe that it will, just like there's no proof Jesus was part of God, there is reason to believe he is. How credible the reasons may seem is all a question of perspective and what you actually have knowledge of.
As for what I bolded...
What you call a baseless assumption I call faith in my experience. Like I said, it's all a matter of perspective. You live in a world where everything must be proven to you and I don't, who says either of us is right? It's like you meeting the girl of your dreams and her saying she loves you but you not believing it until she gives her life for you. If everything must be proven to you for you to believe it, you're going to miss a lot.
And then the communism thing...
People have believed a lot of things throughout history and some were right and some were wrong. Pointing out one that was wrong doesn't mean that anything being believed is ludicrous and wrong, because I could point out those who thought the Earth revolved around the sun, were THEY wrong?
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So, weve now learnt a few things about you..
You dont believe in science because there could be aliens controlling us all even though scientific observations always seem to check out when they are tested over, and over, and over, and over again by independant parties.
You dont know if what you believe is right, but you choose to believe it anyway because its what youve been taught since you were born and you oppose using logic to make educated decisions.
And you believe even though religion seems to get it wrong in every scientific testable front whenever they decide to stick to a primative opinion, you live on the notion that.......Since you cant prove them wrong on things with no obserable evidence (things that science doesent really care about) theres a slim chance they could be correct... So you give them your full allegiance.
Interesting...
BTW-- I'm very happy with my life right now... I dont need my girl to die for me because I already know she loves me.. And I am just as much of a philosopher as the next guy, I have a solid capacity to theorize about subjects with no proof, but I do logically analyse every peice of information I intake because my mind works scientifically and science is an extremily skeptical order...
I cant say christianity is wrong and I dont. However on a straight up probability factor, its a lot more likly they are compleatly bogus than 100% unfailably correct. Which is why I like to analyse certain aspects of your religion and pose questions to people to find out exactly how they can explain certain elements of their religion that just dont seem to add up.
Just like, in scientific terms, we as a species have absolutly no understanding of how the moon came to be. Some people would tell you a planet the size of mars crashed onto the earth at some point early in the last 4.5 billion years shooting off a bunch of light matter that formed as a secondary gravitational pull slowing the earth's rotation forming an inhabitable planet.
But, unfortunatly.. There are plenty of reasons why this simply could not have happened logically.. Therefore our best explenation of why the moon is here, is compleatly logically flawed and our currant theory is simply the 'least wrong' in a sense.
This, I believe is the same situation we are faced with in religion. Some very smart philosophers take some educated stabs in the dark, the mindless public follows their word and over the countless generations exposed to these belief's, our species slowly grows to the point of no longer viewing this information a theory, and groups of idiots begin to think its 100% literal.
I dont disprove anything religion tells me. I simply view it as a theory rather than fact. And like I've been talking about, the validity of these theorys I calculate reletive to historical information to find the probability of them being correct.
And to be honest with you.. A lot of christian views really dont rate that high.