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Originally Posted by Terumoto
You can clone a plant by taking some clippings and putting them in soil. But is the new plant exactly the same as the parent plant? Of course not. Sure, two trees might have the same leaf structure or something. But are any two leaves on either plant the same? Even on the same plant? What is more chaotic than the placement of leaves on a tree? What could possibly be more random than that? They just... happen... No scientist can determine exactly what a seed will look like as a tree, even if they have deeply studied that species of tree and the effect of external factors on phenotype. They might have a general idea, but they still wont know.
Rings in the trunk... What about the number of rings? Is there order in how long a tree lives?
How could there be no chaos? Forget chaos being a bad thing, thats just some conception we made. Chaos is wherever you look. You existing is chaotic. wtf are you doing there at this time in that place? What are you in the universe? If you took a picture (not in the two-dimensional sense) of every single thing that exists right at this moment... Where is the order in that?
"Well obviously this happened and that happened meaning this chemical reaction occured causing this to be there, and that car was there in the street because that woman was going grocery shopping and her hand is near her face because she was about to scratch her head and that bird was here because of this and that leaf was slanted because of the speed and direction of the wind etc etc etc"
But why? Why were things exactly like that in exactly the right conditions to produce that exact snapshot of the universe? There is no reason why... Things are just there. You can make a reason why, but whats the reason for that reason to be there? If you follow that path of logic you'll end up at the beginning of the universe. What began the universe? Well if you're a big bang person, a big bang created the universe. A random bang in non-existence, completely arbitrarily coming out of infinite nothingness and eternal void, just BANG out of nowhere creating the universe.
Of course, we dont know what began the universe. But you get my point... hopefully. -_-
By the way, how could you or I understand why something happens?
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How long something lives is not the "order". The WAY it lives is the order. The natural patterns is the order which is why i didn't want ot mention plants becaues i know osmeonewould have ran off on someting completely stupid. And being identically the same isn't "order". no two things are ever the same. even twins. hell, even clones! so what' your point? I mean, how do you see chaos in the way leaves grow on a tree? the tree grew that leaf there because it needed to, it didn't "jsut happen". there's a system and an order to it. nothing just "happens". Everything is a factor.
once agian, jsut because you don't understand it doesn't make it chaos.I understand why everything happens. Because it does. nothing and no one ever does anything outside of their nature. Period.
"random" would be opening a book and a fuckin squirel comes popping out. THAT'S random. Waking up one day, and all your teeth are fingers. THAT'S random. the shit you're talking about is the nature of a living thing.
i think your take on life is way too stoic, like you just drift through a fluid mass called time where in your mind nothing you do matters. Even buddhists aren't like that, i don't know what sect of buddhism you claim to adhere to cuz none of your beliefs are found is buddhism.