In a previous post I said that when we try to order the chaos, it results in a sort of ordered chaos, which is different to our original goal of a completely ordered existence thus rendering it a failure.
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Originally Posted by nostradamus
Dust particles on books?
Bro the spreading of dust itself is a systematic phenomenon that has been happening for all recorded history and is a minature part of a larger whole of a natural equilibrium that we live in..
Colors, random sizes? That has nothing to with chaos, that is a human decision that has been made for each seperate book. When were talking books, the most definitive information required to decypher what book we are looking for is the name and the author. Therefore this is where the order of the library system defeats chaos and creates an ordered system based on the books most important information.
My place in the universe is defined by a number of infinitly small particles gathered together and condensed tightly all at a certain point on a 3D point graph, be it a graff consisting of the legth of the entire universe vertically and horizontally or be it a graph of a small area surrounding the earth. Being that I am an organism constructed to be solid matter, my position is ofcourse important to me.. The relevance of the exact point I'm in relating to the universe is that I will not be.........say.....halfway through a wall... Where is the order you ask?
Cause and effect. I am standing here because I run a library, why do I run a library? I like books and want to make a living that way. Why do I like books? I possibly found an interest in learning at a young age which caused me to read books a lot. Why did that happen? Because I may have been brought up in a family that had a lot of interesting books I could read. Why did they have a lot of books? Maybe my family had traveled a lot and good reading material for long trips..................And you could go on forever.
Cause and effect IS order. Just like apexx was saying in his post.....Why does the tree grow as it does? Because a lot of its defining aspects are implanted into the seed itself to create an order that is required by this tree to survive and reproduce.
I AM telling you order is a perfectly logical concept that has been proven over time to work unfailably.
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Dude forget all that shit. Look at dust. Its chaotic, if you grabbed a handful of dust and opened your hand, there is absolutely no system or mathematical formula that could accurately predict where the dust is going to go and what its going to do. What it does is random.
Are you telling me that its NOT random for those authors and illustrators to make their book that exact color and size, and for that exact collection of books to be in your library? Why that exact copy of the book? Why that book instead of a different one? That author/title description of order you gave looks to me like man desperately trying to create order in chaos, through the use of essentially meaningless symbols, names, etc that were created through a random process in history. If thats the kind of superficial "order" you are arguing for and clinging to, then you need to open your eyes for a second.
A 3D graph of the universe plotting the points where particles gather to form you? Another of man's attempts at order. What is a graph? Is there a single graph in existence in the universe? Think for a second... There is no such thing as a graph. There might be a line on a page, some marks on an axis, some formations of ink that make up the title of the graph... But they arent really a "graph". If you say graph, its a sound. If you write graph, its a color. If you think graph, its a false conception. So where is the graph?
Why would you be in a wall? How could you get in there unless you cut a hole or it was built up around you. Shit like that just doesnt happen. People dont randomly pop into walls. If you're going to use the laws of physics in your argument, then don't ignore them. -_-. You still haven't told me what you're doing right there right now and why you're there.
Like you said, if you traced back the reasons through cause and effect you would end up going on forever. So... What? Does that mean that there is actually NO reason for you to be there? No reason can be traced? And ironically something like that coincides with mathematical law. If you are in a room and you halve the room, then halve that half, then halve that halfed half, and you keep on halving... You'll never ever reach the wall. You can't deny that something happening for no reason is random and chaotic. And here we have a man-made system of order, based on the natural chaos of the world... = Ordered chaos, a failed attempt at total order.
Cause and effect can't explain why. All it can do is give a shallow "reason" for something.