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Originally Posted by Nostradamus
I understand what your trying to say..
Its just..........wrong..
I mean sorry bro.. But honestly, your perception of what makes order and chaos I'm finding to be reletivly limited to a visual plane and isnt at all taking into consideration that logically order is ultimatly refering to a cause creating an effect. Things dont happen randomly.. In a universe of true chaos, we would have no planets, no stars, no nebulae to create those stars, no galaxies, no gravity, no humans.......And all matter would just be randomly drifting through a big load of empty space.
Infact the biggest logical flaw in your argument is that infact, if the universe WASNT ordered.........We wouldnt be here to observe it..
Imagine if the nature of our earth wasnt ordered?
We might just float off into the sun.......Or out into space with no heat sources.....
What your not realising is that everything we have as a species is almost entirly due to the fact that our universe does have order..
Where is the order in your messy room? Its not random. Its due to the fact that your living there. Why are you living there? You need a roof over your head...Why do you need a roof over your head? You dont want to sleep on the street.......etc etc etc untill you get back to the one simple question, why do you exist? Because there was a big bang, why was there a big bang? ...........According to probability...............God.
THAT is order.
What your saying is baseless....
Fuck your question, you give me one event in the universe that happened compleatly randomly without absolutly ANY cause.... BAR the universe being created itself, because that is beyond our comphrension anyway and does nothing towards proving either of our arguments.
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I wouldnt be able to do that, and I dont need to. Everything has a superficial little reason or cause that we give it, so how could I escape you giving one for whatever I say?
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you couldnt.........and that my friend.....is called order
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ok, well what about an order without chaos?
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an apple falling from a tree...
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wheres the chaos
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everywhere... The apples path, the movement of the ground where the apple lands, the color of the apple, the amount of light on it
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the fact that it fell
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none of that is random
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its all predefined by a previous event
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which is defined by an event before that, blah blah leading back to the "beginning" of existence, if there even was one
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SO
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thats order..
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That's order, is it? A line of cause and effect that goes back in time forever?
If that's the order that you're talking about then we shouldnt even be arguing. Thats so chaotic, how could you not see the chaos in that? All you've done is take the chaotic nature of the universe, and call it order.