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Originally Posted by Logic/Socrates
Well for the average bum, are they going to be able to shower and shave and have good clothes for an interview? No. Do they have an address or phone number the potential employer can contact them at? No.
I understand in some circumstances that can be overcome, but not all OR most.
And I'm not saying some dude who blew off his savings at Vegas and got fired the next week at work. Let's say someone who had something happen to them that they couldn't control, (maybe their wife got killed and they went into a deep depression blah blah blah) and got into their current position not by being irresponsible or anything, just shit changed. It's not like they WANT to be where they are, but once they are it's extremely difficult if not nearly impossible to get out. I know the trouble I had getting a job already, I can't imagine how hard it would be if I couldn't groom and didn't have contact info. Most self made rich, lets say like yourself, didn't really have experiences like the AVERAGE person with a 9-5. Maybe you had a 9-5 for a while I don't know, but since then you haven't and have been experiencing a different form of earning your money than most.
I know it seems like a lot of it's excuses and shit but shit does happen that you can't control. If a company all of a sudden loses 90% of it's customers for WHATEVER reason, they can't just bounce back as a company, no matter how hard they try. It's the same with people.
I hope you can understand and I do see where your coming from but I'm saying I'm coming from a different perspective. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you're wrong from what I can see.
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a bum.. doesn't have to have a desk job lol. a bum can get a job sweeping floors, taking out garbage, delivering the paper to a place once a day, posing for an artist, hell, i could think of a billion things. if i were a bum, shit, i would take a job scrubbing grafitti off of a wall!! if someone would pay me to do it. what ever it took to build my foundation back, on an honest dollar. but see, i think like that because.. that's my drive. my drive drives me to be that observant and that determined and resilliant. bums are bums because they're unproductive and don't have drive. why do you think people that are unproductive are called...bums?? lol. but a bum is in a unique situation where people will be willing to help them because they connect with the "human story" - the same reason people give to charity...or give to bums for that matter. the problem is most bums have a high sense of pride and a high sense of entitlement with a low sense of drive. they think that doing the things neccessary to get them back on their feet is degrading or too low and laying on the sidewalk feeling sorry for your self with your hand out stretched is a better alternative. no matter how you got there (and even that's at your control believe it or not), you're there. what you decide to do or not do from there is completely up to you.
i guarantee a self made rich person will spend less time on the street homeless than a self made poor person. and that's because their drive is different.
btw, I'm not going to get into my personal life, but for the record, i've had dozens upon dozens 9-5's, all the while i worked my own thing. that's because of my drive. nobody ever gave me anything, i never got any handouts in life or grew up in a privelaged environment. quite the opposite, but the difference is i never felt sorry for my self. i never said "hey mark...you deserve to take it easy now" fuck that. i'm not gonna kick back just because things are going "okay". i can work for my self,
and work for somebody else, and use their money, to fuel
my goals. why would i not want to do that?
^^that's drive. that's what seperates the rich from the poor. and that's all. nothing less. and nothing more.
sad fact is 90% of the people in the world don't have that.