I have a lot to learn...
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Originally Posted by R-Evolution
She can't make herself happy forever though. Because she doesn't have forever. She has untill she dies. And by giving her short shallow happiness, you are doing nothing but encouraging shallow happiness. But what I was saying was, it might not be as shallow as it appears. In the grand scheme of things it is, but it's instinctive. It is a happiness that is symbolic of her true natural instincts...because society has successfuly changed the values of symbolism, time and time again.
The idea is to not work within the system because you have no other choice. The idea is to work within the system because you are the only person that can change what it represents to you. You have to be able to see these shallow acts of kindness, as an opportunity to express the depth of the action. And if you see it just a shallow act, than that's what It is. We are too advanced to not pick up on eachothers sub-concious. No we cannot read the sub-concious conciously, but the sub-concious of one, is capable of atleast collaberating with the sub-concious of another.
So if you can can change what was once a shallow act, into an act with a greater purpose than just making her temporarily happy, I wouldn't be suprised if became apparent to her, that your actions are realistically meaningless, and that in itself is an example of love. and it's possible that's all she wants to see.
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She's got forever, it's right there. I'm living eternally right now, you shouldn't be talking about death as if it's a barrier to infinity.
My deep actions are mistaken to be shallow, my shallow actions are mistaken to be deep. Nevertheless, the shallow actions remain shallow and the deep actions remain deep.
She doesn't know what she wants to see. How could she know? It's beyond the scope of her mind, she literally does not even know of it's existence. I would use heaven as an example, but the word has become too meaningless to convey my point. Let's say person A wants to see and experience heaven, it's the best thing he has ever heard of ever in his life. In fact, he is oblivious to his foolishness, for he doesn't know that it would be unimaginably better to go to heaven heaven; the place people in heaven go to after their lives on heaven end. Heaven heaven is to heaven what regular heaven is to earth. We look at heaven as the most amazing thing we have ever heard of, so good we can't even picture what it would be like to go there, we have no idea. Heaven heaven is so good that people in heaven dream of it and muse about how amazing and awesome heaven heaven would be compared to their mere suffering-free, eternal lives in regular heaven. I am in the same boat, I don't know what's out there, but I sure as fuck know that heaven is better than earth, so I'll chill here until whenever it is I move on.
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Originally Posted by R-Evolution
I could be wrong as well, I'm just presenting ideas.
In the situation you explained, I think it is appropriate to say that those you are trying to help, you are not trying to help at your own expense. Instead of standing on your raft, telling them how to swim, or where to swim, or to grab onto the raft. It would probably be more effective to jump in the water yourself, to show them how to swim, where to swim, and how to grab onto the raft.
You want her to be completely content, but by wanting that, you are making yourself unhappy...so it's very possible she doesn't know how. And being as how you obviously cannot teach her to be completely content by speaking to her, you would probably be more successful to show her what it is to be content in the first place.
Oh, and i don't believe you've seen other people shatter the conditioning of others.
I don't feel that's possible. Breaking a life long conditioning HAS to come from within the individual. Because the whole conditioning is based off of conforming to others.
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You can't make someone swim. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, remember?
And I choose to want her to be content. It's not like a burden of want, it's just a tool. It affects my feelings because I allow it to. It's not like I want to be rid of that particular want, there is no attachment to the want.
I meant I've seen other people shatter their own conditioning, not the conditioning of others.
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