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Originally Posted by TeamOne
obviously obama has a chance to win mainly because of his image and how he's a symbol of change.... im still unsure of whether thats actually a Good thing... any comments on this???? i think that probably half of the people, maybe even more, will vote for hilary or obama purely based on wat they represent socially/racially/sexually, and not wat they represent wen it comes to political issues... any comments?
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Exactly. Most people don't even know where they stand on ANY of the issues addressed. They just want a first ________ president. Here's basically the breakdown so far between hilary and obama
Iraq: Both of them have flipped alot on this, but from what I understand here's the case
Hilary: timed withdrawal, 6 months. But the message is clear that the American troops won't be there to help forever and the government needs to get off their ass and take care of their own country.
Pros of this: The troops are home, the iraqi government is forced to govern itself.
Cons of this: WHAT THE FUCK? You're basically saying ok there insurgents, just fight it out for 6 more months and you win. THE COUNTRIES YOURS IN 6 months you can do it hahahah wtf @ giving a time limit you stupid bitch
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Obama: Continued focus on restoring power to the iraqi government. Putting more troops in there. Apparently, the violence in iraq actually decreased dramatically from having more troops. So, putting more troops in doesn't mean more troops are dying, it actually means much fewer of them are. The US troops will basically continue to stay there until the power is restored.(This is expected by Obama to be about a year) He also said he'll make it clear the troops won't be there forever, but staying there isn't exactly gonna make them do something.
Pros of this: Increases the likelyhood of stability, and takes care of the problem. Leaving too early will not only leave iraq in a state of chaos, but it'll leave it as an "outer heaven" for alot of islamic extemists. This is not only a threat for Americans, but for pretty much everyone if they continue with this jihad bullshit.
Cons of this: *sigh* wtf you're STAYING there even longer? Then what seperates your plan from Bush's? How long before u decide to give up? If you leave before you finish, wouldn't that mean Hilary's plan was better? At least she did it early, with far fewer casualties. And actually succeeded with her plan.
Final verdict: Obama, because he puts an emphasis on continued assistance with the iraqi government and I feel that the problem there has already been fucked to the point where we can't leave it alone. Everytime you see obama asked this question, you'll always hear the same shit: "well we shouldn't have been there in the first place". He always stresses that, if he's asked a question about his plans for iraq. Because just straight up saying "I am going to stay in Iraq" isn't something ppl will smile about.
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Health Care:
Hilary: Socialized health care for everyone.
Obama: Health care for all CHILDREN, but "drastically lowered" costs for health care with adults.
Verdict: Tie. The only problem with hilary's shit lies with the drug companies and the doctors. The money will have to come from SOMEWHERE. The economy's shit and the government spending more money will be a huge problem. And it's not like any people wanna pay taxes. Especially not the middle class. Hilary Clinton already said she'll tax the higher class(anyone over 200 grand a year). I'm all for health care for everyone, but people don't wanna pay more taxes. They won't go for it.
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I'm too lazy to type the rest -_- the only shit I don't care about is immigration.