Originally Posted by Baphomet

2v your a brain fart buddy..

a fundementalist christian is somebody who will adhere to the core aspects of the religion. core aspects being another method of describing the 'fundementals' that hes talking about that when somebody claims they adhere to the fundementals of christianity then their stating their belief's on anything to do with modern day christianity as being 100% unequivically correct.

basically they open themselves to all scrutany of the wider perception of the religion, glad i realised your argument was going nowhere pretty fast so i skipped the rest of this thread.


see thats where i would look at your argument and say.. cool man.. thats fine.

belief is a pretty boring concept, which is all you deal with here. ive looked into the history of your religion, its origins, its dark ages, the world climates its existed within.

im not here to give a flying fuck on the validity of what you believe.. because id simply be throwing out a bunch of mythological talk on the human agreed upon perspective of things i can never witness because they are history. i dont believe history, i simply know whats probable and feasable.

when i view your religion, the fundementals of it that come to mind i guess are the story of your so called 'jesus' which is told to me to be the greek translation of your 'saviours' name. yeshua of yosef... and ofcourse the holy trinity.. which includes some sort of entity you guys have had named for you "the holy spirit".

and apparently, according to your belief's, this man that was not born of a natural conception and existed on the planet as a diety with special powers, lived for 30 or so years give or take being that it is over 2000 years ago and was then killed by orders from a roman. and seeing as he was killed so to speak, we according to your belief's must use him in the form of a telephone to the big cheese (god).

now i could go on all night with the apparently's and supposidly's.. but in reality, all we truely have is the now. our memories, our knowledge of things weve experienced throughout life and everything else is just heresay and written proposals of past experienced percieved by the writer.

there is few things you actually know. therefore my next question to you, is how? without using the rhetorical borish concepts of 'faith' or 'just knowing it in my heart'.. how are you going to undeniably tell me the fundementals of your religion are correct?

how are you going to look say, a hindu person in the eyes and tell them theyve got it all wrong? how are you going to look a jewish person in the eyes and tell them yeshua actually IS the savior and beholder of our fate rather than a very smart prophet that got killed in a brutal mannor after starting a church or school of teaching that has by the sounds of it, been compleatly misconstrued and fucked with throughout the ages by the powers that be within fundementalist circles you tell yourself you are a part of.

in reality there is no answers to the questions ive posed. you cant prove to me anything. you just choose to let your mindstate be dictated by a belief system. which is your choice.

there is no argument really..

only choice. youve made yours and if thats what makes you happy then all power to you......some would say all we have is what makes us happy. as long as you dont try to push your belief's onto me, then were just fine. logic is a broad term that plays a part in what we understand to be everything. and logic disallows me to become a sheep to the same teachings you uphold as your own form of 'truth'.

i guess thats the difference between the scientific mind and the religious mind.

if i was on your level, i could basically say........"hey guys, the lord of the rings is actually based on a true story..." ......and then blanket my statement in the word 'faith' as an answer-all product of non-logical perception.

but unfortunatly i DONT know that. so I'm not going to waste my time on the notion.

just believe what you want man. when your ready to break free from your box, then you will realise everything you know is only within the realm of the absolute now and short term history you have personally witnessed.

true knowledge in this world is hard to come by....

but ive gone on for long enough. understand my point and make a rebuttal if you dare fundementalist christian. the subjective nature of your belief's are fickle when placed under scrutany. i think we have a direct conncection to god and thats only going off possibly coincidental personal experience of my own. take it as you will.

i have my ideas on your belief's... and your belief's give me ideas on you as a person and your mental capacity to comprehend reality. but i wont stop you.

im just open to discussion.