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Originally Posted by Young Kidd (LM)
Debatos, first let me say respect for answering my questions thoroughly and adult-like.
Thanks.
The only thing that confuses me is that Jesus/God has the power to help you after you're dead. Why condemn someone to an eternal fire in any case? If God has undying love for any of his people then why condemn them at all! Help them repent after death. It's his judgment right? Then why allow anyone to go astray? Sure some of them will by every means not accept him. That would be the only decision I think should result in hell.
One of the foundations of Jesus' teachings is Treat Others Like You'd Like To Be Treated, if you live in ignorance and ignore God you're whole life but you still treat others the way God wanted you to treat them. Why does that constitute hell?
Why is it that one thing that determines this? That's what confuses me.
The rest of your post I understand, sinning and repent.
Sinning is universal, you'll sin no matter what, I meant we all sin in our own ways. Like some people steal some don't but they lie. I just can't find God to be such a choosy person to the people he loves. It's almost as if he loves us all but the only ones he decides to give eternity is those who love him back. That is definitely not Unconditional love.
I'd like to believe God would accept them all. Forgive them at the gates some might say. Maybe that's idealistic to believe that God is that Forgiving.
Not saying one should not accept God and hope that he'll forgive your Killing spree when you get to heaven, morals still play an issue but, you know.
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Np Bro!!
Well this is the thing bro. God is never unjust. God loves you with all his heart, he loves withone the SAME way. God will not let you go to hell unless you had a chance to show you accept him. Its like this, someone has been cheating on his wife his whole life. And at the same time his wife never found out and stood with him showing all her love she can ever give to him. But when she finds out, she leaves him and shuts him out of her life. Now this man is suffering with regret and wishes he cant change his ways. But it was too late. He could have changed his ways before she found out but never did. Is it fair that she goes back to him after he realizes he will lose her? He had a choice, and its not fair to hear that he only changes his ways after she leaves him. If he truly "LOVED" her, he would have stopped cheating on her. If she never found out, he would have never stop. God loves you with all his heart and will never stop loving you. But its not fair that you only love him when you finally realize there is a a Hell and you will end up there. You had your chance to change your ways. If you don't change your ways than he will have no other choice but to send you to hell. Now thinnkg of this.
The guys that never cheated on his wife and stayed loyal to her all the way to the end. She will never leave him, she will never cheat on him, and she received the same amount of love. He deserves her life because he treated her right and never betrayed her. Now, for those that stood by GOd and loved him and never turned their back on him. And even if they did, they later "TRULY" repented and accepted him into their lives all the way to their deaths. They never cheated on God and always loved him. God will allow those people into his Kingdom.
Yes Jesus said treat others like you'd like to be treated. But Jesus also said, you can only go to heaven through him. If you accept him as your savior. You see, God will not let you into heaven because of your good deeds. he never said that. God said, you faith is what will get you into heaven. Good deeds are just extra rewards you will get in Heaven, but you dont have to them if you dont want to.
His love is unconditional love because he will always love us no matter what. I have said so many things to God how I hate him, how i dont believe he exist. How I said, "GOD you allowed her to cheat on me? Theres no way you exist." Yet! No matter what I said, did, is am going to do to him. His love stays the same and will alawys love me no matter what. And after I realized that, i can never say i hate you god.. i can never say "WHY." Well there will be times I will say that because there will always be tough times in my life. But I know now why these things happen. God never lets you go. But you see, he will love you your wholfe life. But is it fair he lets you in heaven after you die when you never truly showed and loved him? He gives you your chance. He shows you he truly exist by the people that are trying to spread his word. Its up to you by "FAITH" to believe he is truly there. That is why he said that Faith will get you in heaven. He never said Good deeds will get you in heaven.
Its just, God gave us these Rules. We can't say, oh i want to be a budhist because I like their ways are better. God made these rules and said these things in the Bible because thats how he wants it. And yes hes a jealous God. Arn't our parents Jealous? If we dont love our dad but love another guy taht isn't our dad and called him our dad. Wouldn't your dad be Jealous? Your dad created you and only he should be called your dad. Your dad will always love you. But its not right you ignore him and traet him like that.
But yea bro I know what you mean. I use to think like that before as well. You see, he will forgive someone that killed millions of people but only if they "TRULY" repent for it. You can say God forgive me but not mean it. But if you truly ask for forgiveness and truly repent for it. God will forgive you.