K first of all, The Diplomats are wack as hell thier first album proves it. Freeway is a terrible Lyricist, the rest of the Roc crew is decent. Cam is prolly the strongest, Jay really fucked up his shit after Reasonable Doubt.

Aesop doesnt really battle dude, have you listened to Daylight or Labor Days, his shits amazing.

Amateurs? most of the Def-Jux crew has more talent then anyone on the Roc.....