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I don't really care for defining. But it's there.
I listen to both. But they don't 'whine' that much more than the other artists. It's just some people don't like to think as much when listening to music. People like Aesop Rock and Sage Francis do.
And so those who don't like thinking that 'hard', will see it as more whining.
Something like that. But it is what it is. I do agree that 'backpackers' can be overly pretentious. When they got little right to be.
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