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Originally posted by bouncedoggydog
^ Bravo! You (phate) understand exactly why it is we approached the UN, instead of assuming it's because we are losing or scared or could not handle the heat in the kitchen so to speak.
I too thought the UN should have been involved, but as the UN wasted time, the elites in Iraq were making negotiations with sirria, not only for asylum but for more troops and pasasge. We knew this ahead of time, and the UN just sat by and allowed those elite to escape into other countires. So you tellme, does the President of the US, sit back and allow the UN time, meaning the leaders escape while thier look a likes pretend to be working with us? Hell no, GWB knew the american people or the world community was not going to stand for the escape of those in charge. He had to act accordingly. Remember the decapitation strike, that was a well planned and thought out tactic to end the War in one swift move, by killing the leaders only. If Bush was the evil war monger the liberal press has made him seem, why would he go to such troubles to end the conflict in one blow. Do you see now why most of the bashin in the media and on RB, is so in correct. I wish the UN had acted with us, for the very reasons you stated above. I now think the UN is a useless, spinless entity of the liberal left in this world. They wanted to get everyone to agree before taking action, sheep like! What good is the UN, if they are going to allow dictators like Sadaam to play them like fools. I am glad the president and prime, stood up to the UN and the world. It shows they believed in something more meaningful and significant than thier popularity and re-election. Now that is courages leadership at its best. How can you argue otherwise? Thier entire political career were put in jepordy due to world opinion, they stood their ground and did not falter. If it was greed or money or popularity they wanted, they would have never went to war under such conditions. They did what they felt was right for the people of thier counties and for the free world. Regardless if it cost them thier re-election or careers. Now that is what I consider a leader. Not some weak, fragile suit who only cares to get himself re-elected and futher his career. The more the liberal left speaks out the more they prove my points...
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two things to start off..........one fuck arnold, bounce for governor of california! Two, Opey is right, this does smack a little of Star Wars.
As a senior in high school I interned for the major news publication in Arizona, the Arizona Republic, while there I learned two valuable facts that I hold dear even now. The first is the media often knows less than we give them credit for, once in a great while a story breaks that shocks and surprises us but really they just regurgitate what is told to them. The second is, regardless of political affiliation, 99% of all politicians are snakes, they will lie, cheat, and attempt to smooth talk their way out of any situation, and they always have a fall guy. This goes for every politician from your local councilman, all the way up to the President himself.
I liken the affair concerning the UN to a child who wants a piece of chocolate. They go and ask their mother knowing she is going to say no, once that happens they get it anyway, knowing full well there will be consequences later. I don't think the UN was dragging it's feet just to spite the US. Chief Inspector Glick said time and time again, WE NEED MORE TIME. I know you said that the WMD's were not the primary goal of the US bounce, but my point is that is what was fed to the media, along with the alleged connection to 9/11. The public was duped and their collective fear was used to push a political agenda. In my opinion that is wrong.
Also, you have stated that now that the conflict has turned sour, so to speak, the democratic left has now chosen to attack Bush on this front. You're right in one regard, where were they during the conflict it takes our Congress to declare war not just the President. If any front is taken against Bush in the upcoming election year I feel it should be one that addresses the failing economy, the ever increasing crime rate, poverty rate, unemployment, the fickleness of the stock market, and of course the ever growing health care crisis. A strong foriegn policy is needed, an even stronger domestic one is a bigger must.
for phate.........
The conflict concerning Yasser Arafat and the Palestenians is an old one. The road map to peace is another bad attempt in a long line of bad attempts. To be frank the conflict, in my opinion, will not be resolved diplomatically. One of the nations involved will eventually wipe the other out. Neither side will be happy until this happens. Yasser Arafat is part of the problem, killing him however will only lead to even more chaos and disorder. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees. The UN should step in and draw distinct lines through Gazaa and then strictly enforce them. Like a parent with two wayward children, " you stay on your side, and you stay on yours". This will not happen in our lifetime i fear.
to legend......
Foreign policy affects everyone. I am not going to call you a dumbass because you aren't one, you are a little misinformed. Take for example the steel industry, a couple of years ago a new steel tariff was passed raising the price to import and export steel. That means now it cost more to buy steel, which means steel plants have to pay more for it. They in turn raise their prices, manufacturers must raise their prices, and so on until it gets to you. Now when that nice new mall goes up in your neighborhood your taxes are higher. Eventually building slows and then jobs drop off. Companies are not producing as much and extra labor simply raise their cost. One of the most effective cost cutting tools, unfortunately is laying people off. So now taxes are higher, and more people are out of work. All because of one new tax. Imagine the hundreds of thousands of decisions that occur everyday, you don't know about them but indirectly, or maybe even directly they affect your lives and the people around you.
Opey........
This is star wars. The council just isn't listening and so we begin a war, which in reality could lead to a series of events that could change our entire world.
Final thought.......
The main problem in America is not the politicians, the taxes, the unemployment, the stock market, terrorism, war, none of things. The problem is latent apathy. To many people just don't care anymore, and they outnumber the ones who do. Some have the attitude of "its not my problem" when really it's everybodies. I also cannot stress enough the importance on voting, and not just in Presidential elections, or when a chance to legalize marijuana is on the ballot. Voting is something we fought long and hard to get, first the British, then ourselves (blacks women latinos), for us to simply not take advantage of it. For those who do not like the state of the union, by all means let the powers that be know it, VOTE! Then tell every one you know to vote, then tell them to tell every one they know to vote, and so on and so on until this country is showing active participation. It's easy to bitch and moan, it's more difficult to do something about it.