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Old 02-25-03, 01:41 AM   #1
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Roses Are Red

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Roses are Red

Before you read this short four lined poem, I want you to read this long and thought out explanation.

This poem is open to interpretation, and I would gladly recieve any such interpretations of it that you have. Every detail has been carefully thought out. (I've written this over and over about three or four times now trying to get it right.) Everything serves as a meaning, from the word choice, to the formating as well as the words themselves.

But when you read it, I want you to read it like you would rea the bible (Or any sacred text of your choosing). By this I mean, read it slowly, read it thoughtfully and read it not just with your eyes and your mind, but open your heart to it. Let the words truly sink deep within your inner body and inner soul and just dwell on it momentarilly before you capture your own thoughts into words. I'm starting to sound touchy-feely emotional. I think I'll just drop the shit and blow now...

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Her lips soft and red with blood
It bleeds not from without, but within
The rose is red as well, red with blood
Him... forces her to bleed. To bleed her Sin
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Old 02-25-03, 08:25 AM   #2
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She's losing/lost her virginity?

Only read it once, so i'll come back later and come up with other possible interpretations, and give a more detailed explanation..gotta be going now...

...respectos di necrosis....(!?)...
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Old 02-25-03, 10:31 PM   #3
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Well i'm kind of nakard, and am less nocturnal than i used to be (i.e. i try to go to sleep earlier than i used to)..

...i read it once again...but my mind aint clear...just wrote something....so i aint focused on this as much as i would like it to be...but once again, i have come up with the same thing as above...i'll come back to it tomorrow again...but thought i'd bring thisd piece to the top of tghe board with this post...

...*yawns with his freshly brushed mouth and glances over to the TV at the eejits, frustratingly (for myself), trying to discuss/argue the possible war in an unbalanced and moronic manner..*...well at least together, the balance each other out, to a level headed person watching, anyway.....as a fusion like thing of course....

...off...

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Old 02-26-03, 01:37 AM   #4
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yo i read this and ya said interperetations right? what i got from it was that he forced her to lose her virginity through passion or better kown as "sin." its tight how ya symbolizing it with the red rose, since a flower is aka purity, and the color red a passionate enchantment, but ne way i liked how ya words were simple, strong and short, this is a nice peice..lates
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Old 02-26-03, 12:35 PM   #5
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yo i read this and ya said interperetations right? what i got from it was that he forced her to lose her virginity through passion or better kown as "sin." its tight how ya symbolizing it with the red rose, since a flower is aka purity, and the color red a passionate enchantment, but ne way i liked how ya words were simple, strong and short, this is a nice peice..lates


Aye, roughly what i said (except with more detail), so i'm going to stick with the virgin thing...

Either she is being pressured to have sex by her boyfriend at a young age...

...or she is being raped...outright....like a man dragging her into the alley or something...

..or it could be a priest raping an alter girl...you know, a paedophile priest...(the 'bleeding out her sin' part maybe being ironic/sarcastic in a way?)...

...i think you get the picture.
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Old 02-26-03, 03:17 PM   #6
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Virginity is indeed one interpretation. I came up with several, some of which I had actually intended.

The thing is one has to be receptive in reading it. If you look closely, the word "her" has been bolded. This is to signify that the woman of subject is a strong woman. Boldness is strength. Strength of course can be good or bad. At the end of the poem the word sin not only is bolded, but also italicized and underlinged. This is to add emphasis on it as an important subject to the entirity. Strength of course can be a virtue but it can also lead to sin. There are seven deadly sins, Pride, Wrath, Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Envy and Sloth. Sins such as Sloth, Envy, Greed, and Gluttony do little to convey strength. But Wrath and Pride however are quite apt to be lead into by strength. Thus, the woman of subject in this peice is not just a strong woman, but a proud and angry woman.

However, right off the bat, right after it says "her", it says "lips are soft". Now a woman who is strong can still be soft. The lips are actually the most sensitive parts of a persons body next to the bottom of ones feet. Soft lips convey that this woman is still a sensitive woman. Sensitivity runs in the emotions of women in general. Which is to say that while this woman is strong, she is still just that. A woman.

But then comes the next part of the line. Red with blood. Now, in sexual terms this makes sense if the lips represent her pussy lips, and the she is bleeding from being pounded hard. And yes, this is a valid interpretation, but for the moment, her lips are her lips. The part "red with blood" is underlined for the purpose of remembering that part, it is cardinal in the explanation of the poem, and shouldn't be interpreted quite yet.

The next line, unlike the previous one, should be taken in as a whole. That is to say, the whole line serves one purpose. "It bleeds not from without, but within". Now, in my philosphy I believe the term 'as within, so without' is quite the truth. By that I mean, what you have inside of you in terms of your spirit and your beliefs and your behavior, is reflected by what you do in the real world and how you interact with your enviroment as well as other people. Not, the word "bleeds" has been italicized. This is to represent that it should be thought of in conjuction with the rest of the line as opposed to being a seperate entity. It bleeds from within. But the line itself takes note to point out that the blood does not come from without. If the blood came from without, the blood would have landed on her lip, but it came from within. Her lips have been 'busted wide open' so to speak. Now, as I said before, she is a sinner of Pride and Wrath. She is a strong proud angry woman. This would lead one to suspect that her anger and her pride had gotten the better of her, and got her into a situation where she would have been attacked.

Next line is "The rose is red as well, red with blood". Now, rose has been italicized. In this case, it is a noun rather than a verb. Bleed was a verb. But as a noun, the rose in question is actually more of a metaphor. A rose symbolizes many things. As divine_virgin said, a flower symbolizes purity and red symbolizes passion. And yes, in my original scripting the flower was ment as a form of purity. But the color red ment something else. Red does represent passion, but it represents other things as well. In traffic, it means stop. In warnings, it means high alert of danger. When I think of red I usually think of Communism. But in this specific case, the red ment anger. The red ment Wrath. This narrows down Her sin from either Pride or Wrath, to simply Wrath. This woman is angry. She is a pure woman however, in a sense she is a virgin, but that is to say she is a virgin to her sin of Wrath. She has yet to be angry, but once, in this specific moment she snaps and becomes angered. Her wrath gets the better of her for once, and it gets her into a situation where she is to bleed.

But who makes her bleed? Him. The word "him" is also in bold letters. And in this case it means the same emphasis as it does with "her" being in bold letters. The man in question is a strong male. But men are naturally stronger than women are. (Don't try and dispute this, the girls in my old P.E. class literally could not do a single chin up.) But of course, women can make themselves become stronger through working out and stuff. But here is another reason I chose the rose as a symbol and not say... a red porsche. Because roses are natural, and as such, all beings in this poem are natural. And naturally women are weaker in terms of strength compared to men. And while this woman is strong, she is not strong enough. And she is a woman on the inside.

But after the word "Him" come three dots ... and the rest of the line. "forces her to bleed" is where everything comes together. A strong woman of wrath who has no experience in anger, thus no way of controlling it, goes bezerk and attacks this man. This man however, being stronger than her, gets the better of her. She gets injured. He has hurt her. However, there is a happy ending to this.

And that comes with the part "bleeds her sin". By bleeds it comes now that I mean that yes she is literally bleeding, but she is also metaphoricly bleeding. As within, so without. Within her is sin, but if she excludes it and forces it out of her, she loses her sin. The way she loses her deadly sin of Wrath is by bleeding it out. A painful, but effective if used properly, way of dispensing evil.

Thus... woman gets pissed. Woman attacks man. Man fights back. Woman no longer pissed.

Note: The above interpretation was not my original intention. It is just one of the many ways I've translated it. Also, it's my most in depth translation.

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Virginity is indeed one interpretation. I came up with several, some of which I had actually intended.

The thing is one has to be receptive in reading it. If you look closely, the word "her" has been bolded. This is to signify that the woman of subject is a strong woman. Boldness is strength. Strength of course can be good or bad. At the end of the poem the word sin not only is bolded, but also italicized and underlinged. This is to add emphasis on it as an important subject to the entirity. Strength of
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Old 02-26-03, 07:24 PM   #8
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Hey Necro, this is i guess a bit of a freepost.

But i just had a quick browse through that home-page thing you done.

I think the stories are eerily nice. In a kind of dark, twisted, perversely imaginative way. Just the way i like it - and someone who aint afraid of exploring the depths of his dark side...

...seroiusly, this may sound patronising, tub i ese omes lear netopital yebond hist calpe...(crappy anagram style!)...er...


...that is all...
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