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Old 12-17-03, 01:54 PM   #1
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Something To Challenge Your Perceptions. .

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. . I know it sounds like a stupid question to start with, But are we real? Is the 'world' real? How do we know we exist? What if this 'world' is just a dream?

Makes you really think about what we really see in the world. Is there a beautiful bird in the sky real, or is it just our imagination. Can people really see what we see and describe it the same, but its actually different? I mean .. when they say blue, is it red in their eyes? Maybe the grass is purple; but our eyes somehow change and interpret the colour differently.

It got me thinking hard about it. Just curious ..
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Old 12-17-03, 01:58 PM   #2
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so you seen the matrix then, and its opened your eyes?
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Old 12-17-03, 02:04 PM   #3
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This is a pretty old concept, my man...

I've heard it worded as...

What if I'm just a dream from someone else's sleep?

What if my awake time is when he's sleeping and dreaming of my life and escapdes...

And his awake time, is when I'm sleeping.

Been there, pondered that.
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Old 12-17-03, 02:05 PM   #4
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The Matrix.. The Matrix Reloaded .. Matrix Revolutions

I Feel What Your Saying Though Cam... I Feel Like That Sometimes
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Old 12-17-03, 02:10 PM   #5
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Thinking about topics like this always inevitably frustrates me. There is no answer to questions like that. I'm a person that likes to have definite, indisputable answers to questions, so when philospohical discussions like this come up I always end up feeling meager and meek because I can't come to a conclusion. It is intriguing to think about things like this though. More than a few times, I've wondered if life is just like a "Truman Show" type thing where everybody's in on the joke except me. I've wondered what if this life IS heaven/hell or a dream and we just don't have the perspective to realize it. Who's to say that our understanding of reality is "how it is?" There are too many other perspectives that could be "the real reality." Insects, namely bees see in an ultraviolet color spectrum, therefore yellow (a lot of flowers) is red to them (a color that indicates pollen & they're attracted to) and the blue sky is purple to them. Who's to say that the way they see things isn't the real way and the way we do is? I don't know, like I said, there's no answers to this stuff and I hate that. I'm kinda like Kill in regards to having already pondered all this stuff and coming to the conclusion it's best to just let it go. Live life don't worry about trying to figure out all the secrets of the world. Just live life.

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Old 12-17-03, 02:12 PM   #6
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I've always thought about this...living in a dream state.......
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Old 12-17-03, 02:16 PM   #7
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so you seen the matrix then, and its opened your eyes?


No actually. Gaytrix never really interested me, but im guessing it's based ( Loosely ) on this theory. It's just something brought up at college that got me thinking .. Theer's more i wanted to ask, but i doubted you'd be interested enough for me to post them.
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Old 12-17-03, 02:36 PM   #8
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the purpose of life is to satisfy the id with respect to your super-ego and ego.

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^ Wow .. the Jay Krupp lapdog makes another guest appearence rocking the same lame 'ego' diss that failed to produce humour a month ago, when he used the exact same joke.


Go find something productive to do, like strangling yourself maybe.
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Old 12-17-03, 02:47 PM   #10
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...Existance is life built through years of interaction and function...a dream is a short prelude retaining similarities to existance....

Its similar to the tree analogy.....A tree falls in the woods. Even though you didnt see or hear the tree fall...Did the tree make a noise.....

Heres something i wrote just for the heck of it a while back....its not the full thing cause sadly i lost the rest of it...but its a dialogue of me with socrates....

Soc. How can you be certain of anything?
Jus. By definition certainty is but full assurance of mind, if the mind is fully assured is there not certainty?
Soc. You validate certainty with it’s meaning, definition is then your objective authority?
Jus. The laws of nature avail consistency and with consistency there manifests objective certainty.
Soc. Are you infinite and therefore able to claim the consistency of the laws of nature within the test of time?
Jus. If we cannot observe infinity can we know anything at all?
Soc. You exist do you not?
Jus. Yes, but do we accurately coexist with the surroundings our senses interpret?
Soc. The mind and in turn body, have limitations making this a question of ontology, a question terribly vulnerable to speculation.

You have several ways of knowing existance....child birth, pain and feeling, emotion and relation....Then you have faith, faith not in being but faith in everlasting life....depending on beliefs....
thats me though

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i reckon we are real we must have been put here for a purpose, but i dont think we will ever find out what that purpose is

any ideas???????
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Simply put...life is what you make it.
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^ But how do you know 'life' exists? How do you know that right now you arent just someone's dream?
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my dialogue explains my thought....umm yeah finshed...

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I guess my argument, not to be dismissive, is who cares what we are? Who cares if there's no such thing as free will because God, or who ever is dreaming us, always intended for us to do what we just did. All I know is that if I wanted to, I could whip my meat out and type with my dickhead here in my cubicle at work, if that was what I wanted to do. Or I could go to the next cubicle over and sock the dude next to me square in his grill. That's proof enough for me of my existance and that life is just the individual pursuit of happiness.
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