Time is pretty wierd ay. It's wierd how we humans love to put a measure on everything, even things like events, which are impossible to measure or gauge. Also, I don't believe one bit that present is caused by the past.

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Time is movement...


Thats all...

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Movement in what way?

Do you believe that what happens in the present happens because of what happened in the past?

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you needa be more specific about that...b.c if i burnt my house down last year..i wouldnt be here right now.....so yeah..what we do effect the future....but idk abotut he time part

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I believe in cause and effect.

And obviously for any effect to occur the cause must have happened in the past.

Are you trying to say the past has no effect on the future?

You stupid cunt...

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OK. Lets think of an effect as an event, in regards to the concept of cause and effect. One example of an event is the birth of a baby.

You could regard the cause of an event as its beginning. So when did this event, the birth of a baby, begin? What caused it? Does it begin the moment the mother goes into labour? It could begin the moment the child was conceived. It could have been caused by the hormones in the father that caused sexual lust, or the production of the sperm or ova in the parents. It could have been caused by the parents' birth, or their parents birth, or their parents birth, or theirs. We don't know what REALLY caused the event at all.

Howbout another example... A war. The first world war. This event, when did it begin (when was it caused), how long did it go for, and when did it end?

Well, you'd say that the cause of the war was this country doing this, and the regime of this or that country, and so on. You'd say that the war began in 1914 and ended in 1918. When in fact, all the things that led up to the first world war started long before 1914, and the repercussions of that war have continued long beyond 1918. How are we to distinguish an event from its repercussions? The time that we slapped onto the war and called it's duration is purely random. They chose two of the many aspects of the event and labeled them the start and finish.

Cause and effect is a flawed concept, because it regards every event in time as a seperate event. In reality there is no seperate events.

Lets say I was sitting down and looking through the slit of a fence, and a snake slithered past. Through the slit, first I see it's head, then its body, and then it's tail. You cause and effect guys go "ah! the head is the cause of the tail!" But that is purely a misconception. What I can see through the slit, is the present, right? I see the beginning of the snake, and then the whole snake until it ends at the tail. This doesnt mean that the head is the cause of the tail, the snake is one whole.

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A new born baby

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Cause - Sex
Effect - Child birth

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A war

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Cause - Innitial action taken by a country
Effect - Countries work to defend themselves and take out the offending nation's military powers.

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You are thinking of these things based on what may have led up to the cause and all other causes that cause the cause to happen in the first place......

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Ok?

Time rolls on basically with neverending causes and neverending effects that spawn new causes.

Ok?

The snake thing-- The first inch of the snake goes through the fence, which is the effect of muscles moving in that snakes body propelling it forward.

What your saying is basically misinterpreting the concept of cause and effect. Which by the way is a steady law of physics thats been in place for hundreds of years and nobody has ever found a reason to prove it wrong or call it a misconception.

If the greatest scientific minds of the last 5 or 6 centuries couldnt find any reason for it to be a misconception, then I guess we should all hail John Nigro of sydney for finally putting to rest that awful myth that is newtons laws of physics..

Whats next for you man? Are you gonna attack einsteins theory of reletivity?

Maybe you wanna put forward an argument that the sky is actually green and our eyes are just playing tricks on us...

............Whats that?

You got something to say man?

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There you go, trying to name a cause and effect.

Cause: Sex

Was the cause sex? What caused the sex? What caused the cause of the sex? Why wasnt the cause the fertilization of the egg by the sperm?

Effect: Childbirth

Was it? You could say the effect was pregnancy. You could say the effect was a loss of money due to the cost of raising a child.

What cause and effect does, is pick two tiny little parts of a continuous flow, and label one a cause and the other an effect. Sure, maybe the cause is A cause, and the effect is AN effect, but they are not THE cause and effect. We label these things, and then we forget that we did it, and we are left with a puzzle. What is the actual cause, or the actual effect? What makes these events lead to eachother? In reality, we never even had to call events causes or effects in the first place, because there are no seperate events.

Life moves along like water in a river. It is all connected, just as the river is connected to it's mouth and the ocean, and all of the "events" or things going on are like whirlpools in the stream. Because you go there today, and you see a whirlpool. You go there tomorrow, and you see a whirlpool... But it isnt the same whirlpool, because all the water is changing every second. What is happening is not what we should call A whirlpool... It is more like a "whirlpooling," it is an activity, not a thing. In this way, every so called "thing" can be called an event. A house is not a house, its a "housing," a cat is not a cat, its a "catting." We look at a flame and say, there is a flame on top of that candle, when it would be more correct to say there is a "flaming" on top of that candle.

We do not need the idea of causality to describe how a prior event influences a following event, because it just flows.

ANY events cause can be traced back to the beginning of time. Like a child who behaves badly, he might say "well its not my fault, my parents brought me up badly." When you go to the parents they say their parents brought them up badly, and you cant go to hassle the grandparents because theyre dead, but if you could it would trace all the way back to adam and eve eating the fruit in the garden of eden. And you could ask her and she'd say "Oh, it wasnt my fault, the serpent persuaded me to eat the fruit." Then you could go to the serpent and say "Why did you make eve eat that fruit?" ... And he would probably wink. He knows that the present is the cause of everything, and the past does NOT drive the present, if anything, the PRESENT drives the PAST.

In actual life, the idea of cause and effect is useless. It's only use is naming the shallow causes and effects that we pick out of a continous, eventual flow completely arbitrarily.

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yup..concdiering where u are is prolly a totally different time then it is right here in mass. haha like we got different time zones..b/c the earth is round..and too keep the same amount of light in a day every where..we cut the world into different zones..to keep up woth the sun.....dunno if thats what ur really getting at..but i thought of it while reading hahah

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Thats bull though. Are you saying that the now I am experiencing right this very moment is not the exact now that you are experiencing? Of course it is.

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yeah..but where do u live? its prolly darker or lighter...u might be in the middle of a sunnny day..its dark where i am now....im saying...time isnt anything....its just the paosition of the easrth roatating....

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The amount of light where I am has nothing to do with time. Time isnt anything? Then why are you existing -_-.

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what would TIME have to do with ME existing??

MANKIND...invented time...we made it up....so ur saying the cave men all had alarmclocks to wake em up at the crakc of dawn??? time has NOTHIN to do with me existing...humans made time up....

im sure if you could talk to animals...and asked them, what TIME the eat...they wouldnt tell you around 5. they'll say when im hungry. hgaha time isnt real my friend

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We didn't invent time, we just named it, and then foolishly tried to measure it.

Mankind invented the measurement, ft. Does that mean that the space between you and the wall closest to you doesnt exist, because it is possible to measure it in ft?

I am not talking about time in regards to numbers. I'm talking about time in regards to time.

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aight..well time..dont have to do with the distance between me and the wall...thats not time at all?? lol and time...as in...the earth wraps aroudn the sun.....its continues never ending....time..is continuouse...yeah we made up the measurments in time..like 6'oclock and that shit...

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