Everyone, nice discusion today, let's keep these threads active, and try to understand eachother without upsetting one another.

My time here is over for today, but I hope we can make some use of these types of discusions. It's positive from all respects to have debates, together we can look deeper into the issues surrounding our every day lives..

Much respect to all,


and no I'm not like a hundred years old like most of you claim, Im in my twenties, and have plenty more years left of them. (twneties that is)

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Interesting statements here, took me waaaaaaaaay to long to read it all but was entertaining in the least. I would like to say, non argumentatively, that The States is not disliked for its liberties granted to women though. I think if Americans really want to know why they are despised they need to start asking people outside of America to get a more accurate account. Im not going to tell you in here, as Ive discovered some of you don't like to hear what I have to say.

Regarding international Aid, Id like to propose a question -
On one side of the table we have a man who earns $400 a week income and he donates $100 dollars of it to charity each week.
On the other side, we have a man who earns $4000 a week income and he donates $1000 of it to charity.

Who is giving more?
Obviously, if we want to look at the actual figures, subject #2 donates more right? - Well, obviously..
But in all reality, when relatively speaking, the amount that subject #1 donates is far greater.

It's like a pop star, who earns millions each year donating $5k to some charity and recieving praise for it, but when a single mother donates $50 to a charity (a far greater sacrifice on a single mothers income) it is considered less simply because of its monetary value.

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good point TOURNIQUET, we only recognize thos who are always in the spotlight, rich and famous, why dont we recognizing those who sacrifice part of their paycheck like in the example TOURNIQUET gave us? and like bounce said earlier about those who died unselfishly for the freedoms we take forgranted today, why arent they remebered? why dont we stand up for the rights and freedoms we have, even tho at the moment their is no major threat (us people who use the press for information)?


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ponder that for tomarrows arguments and debates

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that math is fantastic! in actual figures #2 does give more but relatively they are both giving THE SAME! LMAO $100 is 25% of $400 and $1000 is 25% of $4000. lol where did u go to school?? and LMAO @ bsquared agreeing with him HAHA

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/\ yea lol what he said

Jesus, you missed the point altogether.

It is intentional that they both donate 25% of their income, as it leaves subject 1 with $300 to survive on, and subject 2 $3000 to survive on, illustrating that even though subject 2 donates more, relatively speaking (ie when compared to how much they actually earn) subject 1 is making the greater sacrifice. Pointing out that percentages are indeed a factor, and that actual figures aren't always the only consideration.

You know, a wise man once said it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

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i think ur missing the point. no matter how u try to explain your reasoning, your argument is not even close to being logical. why don't you read my previous post about the comparison beween national budgets. i clearly explain the reasoning behind this. your argument is simple and illogical. u are simplifying our national budget into a simple equation which in itself is false. you couldnt even back up your elementary mathematic logic with a correct answer. Infact you are so off base i refuse to restate the huge post that i already typed tonight.

... a wise man once said "if you don't know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up." actually i said that but i think it applies

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opey, how is that not logical???

its not logical because the country with the more money (ie. USA) has more expenses. I already listed the expenses but the biggest reason is a MUCH LARGER population to take care of. we also have a large government and many government programs. the more money you have, the more money you need. and thats not just greed. if you dont think we give enough money to international affairs consider the fact that we are spending $10 billion a week on our campeign on Iraq alone.

you can think about the percentages like this. you work for someone and make $2000 a week and give $500 of that to charity. I run my own business and make $4000 a week. I give $1000 of that to charity. I give more cash but it appears that we both give the same percentage of our money. but you are forgetting facts in this equation. You work for an employer and keep all your earnings. meanwhile I am running a business and have to invest half my earnings back into the company to cover all the different expenses that go along with running a business. Now I am making the same as you but giving twice as much. now who is giving more?

this obviously isnt exactly the case with government but you should get my point that outside cercumstances effect goverment spending more than just a simple 7th grade math question. you have to take everything into consideration when seeking an answer or else youre just left with a one sided opinion that makes no sense

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good point, didnt reilize or think about the other side of the equation...



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^^ive heard that "who gives more" question asked a million times, and I must say, having read your logic and opinion on the subject, that I disagree.

No disrespect intended, but I think that the person who makes $4000 a week gave more, simply because the more money one makes, the harder it is for them to part with this money. Honestly, I don't think I can really expand more on this. That's just my opinion.

But on a side note, much respect to b-squared for making this thread, and to bounce, opey, and everyone else who is participating in this discussion.

yall should read Machiavelli's The Prince, it would shine lots of light on this topic



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your getting popular



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well its better than being popular by being an herb


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