man, i was in the war for 4 months. being an american means the world to me, almost as much as family. people cant feel me cuz the wasnt out there in the desert, fighting for the country, so they take a lot of shit for granit. in some contries, the petty crimes that are misermeners here will get you killed or ya hand chopped of. look at another m,ans wife in saudi arabia, get ya dick cut off. people need to quit sleping on america, it is a beatiful place. the only country where the people actually rule. we vote who goes in office and makes laws and runs the country. if you didnt or dont vote, then dont complain, its as simple as that. if you dont use your freedoms then quit hatting. thats why people cant enjoy america, its because they dont use all the oppertunites she offers.

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Opey we need to swap stories we might get aq better understanding of eachother and our views on the issue's. I am glad you disagree with me on something, I never intend to be correct or right, not on a subject as braod as this. I just live my life to a certain set of ethics and beliefs, ya know what I mean. I feel too many people take what we have in this nation for granted, and you know this to be true.. So where's the real disagreance?

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how is a single mother with 3 kids and 2 jobs going to teach her children? some people need to depend on the government and this is the time where it is not there for us. and when i say "the government" i mean private agencies as well because these institutions get government funding. and if they dont then they atleast get tax breaks. no one said anything about bigger government. im talkin about the institutions that we already have need to stop bein so fuckin greedy and help the citizens like they are supposed to. Because if this government ran like it was supposed to it would be near perfect. but greed is causing it to fall apart. this entire country is infected with greed and something must be done. at this rate it will only get worse until the country crumbles.

i think we agree but did poorly in expressing what we were thinking.

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*Just read Opey shit*
I'm glad you shared that shit with us, cause some people DO have their head up their ass and they couldn't have possibly imagined your situation.
I was not playing the bullshit race card, because poverty is not racist. There are whitew folks in the applechia mountains that don't even have running water let alone bathrooms in their house....while we're using computers and shit.

The point is, the rich are free, the poor are trapped.

The correctional institutions are a fucking joke. They had an idea that you would be "Corrected", after your convicted. what a fucking joke!!!
Just the court process costs hundrds maybe thousands of dollars, and if you don't have it ...your "shafted".
One of my guys got pulled over and they illegally searched his car and found an unregistered pistol. He went to jail, we had to get a thou to get him out, the prosecuter doesn't care about his case so he'll try to get him to plead guilty, so he'll just get fined, and it can go quickly. Even though, my homey had a guncard, and was licensed to have it. The problem was he just bought it from a friend who (older guy) had it since vietnam. OR he can hire ($$) a lawyer, and they'll throw the case out without even going to trial. What kind of justice is that?
When they was settin the bail, the cops arrested this arabian guy for having $7000 dollars worth of drug paraphanailia in the trunk his car. He was the owner of his own smoke shop. But he has to pay a bunch of dough now cause the cops was dicks.

When you get that blemish on your record, you might as well go to another country. Cause you'll have a hard time just getting a minimum wage job. And who want's to clean shit, or do demeaning things, for a check that you can't even pay your whole rent with. and you wonder why people "MILK" the system. maybe schooling should be free instead of health

Y'all need to watch Micheal Moore's "Bowling for Columbine", that shit should open your eyes a little...

...btw, you weakened your argument with this



so basicly, education means nothing unless u want to be smart? lol

i think you are missing the point of why we need education. you have the ability to choose wutever career you want. If you choose to go into architecture then u should understand that you are going into the field of construction which needs mostly skilled and unskilled labor. there is no room for huge money making opportunities unless you are at the top. there is not a huge need for educated people in this area. If you want to make money then you should think about what industry is in the most need of employment. right now we are in need of pharmicists. they are making between $75 and $100 thousand str8 out of college in Maryland. based on Marylands economy that is extremely good.

education does not make u money. if you are only looking to make money then you need a good business sense. You mentioned dot commers. most dot commers make next to nothing because they have no education and no business sense. I am a dot commer and until recently I did exceptionally well. but i am in college getting the proper education to understand the business that im in. you only get out of college what u put into it.

but i do agree that some classes we are forced to take are spawns of the government agenda ie. health, womens rights. but mst classes are to give you a well-rounded knowledge of the world. i believe that a person should be equally educated in language, social science, mathematics, and biological and chemical science. this is with the exception of your area of expertise. a well-rounded education is important for more reasons than making money. Your overall survival in life depends on how smart you are. you mention that a lot of successful people are uneducated in certain areas. this is because some knowledge and concepts come natural to certain people. take bill gates for instance. His knowledge of computers and programming came natural to him. his knowledge was driven by his interest and therefore had no need for education. He also has a keen business sense which other people lack and need education for. If you are in a class getting taught something that you already understand by someone on a lower intellectual level than you then yes, you dont need college. but if you are going into a field which you dont have a full grasp on then you need education. college is not some ploy to brain wash you and teach you to submit to society. that's what highschool is for.

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We were on the same ground all along! The private sector is where we need to look, we need to depend more on people, not government. Thats the core belief in my stance on this issue.

Responsiblity for our actions and inactions is all I am talking about. I had a daughter young, but did not rely on anyone but myself. I supported her, I raised her, and I educated her. Her mother and I managed to do, sure it was the hardest challenge I ever came across but it made me who I am today. Between the two of us, we completed our degrees and both work in our careers of choice. Niether one of our parents have any education outside of elementary, or do they have any money. We did it ourself, and enjoy every moment we get to reflect on it. Durring the time we were going nucking futs, but it was a lesson much needed. I think responsiblity is a huge issue and it's something we need to push. I feel for the single mother working two jobs, cuz I have been in her position, except I stood by the mother of my child. If your old enough to have intercourse then you better be prepared for the resposiblites of having a child. I do see a need for assistance in many cases, but we as people of this nation should promote those programs. Within our own communites and social networks. We need to remove our dependencies on government before we lose track of our own identities as a people. It's hard but not impossible!!!

Respect

damn... i saw that in theaters then i immedately went home and downloaded it. now i own it on dvd. that is an excellent documentary.

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Yeah I will admit it's good, but he is the biggest lefty I know. You know what I am talking about opey..

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...btw, you weakened your argument with this


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so basicly, education means nothing unless u want to be smart? lol

What I meant is that, you cannot go fill out an app, for a doctors position. And you just can't rep in court without actually knowing the law. You can't just mix drugs without knowing what to do.

But if some one trains you in the duties of a bank manager, you do not need a degree for that. You do not need a degree to be a substance abuse counselor.

Trades ie truck driving, chef, CNA, carpentry, electricians, plumbing, all these career fields have programs where they teach you exactly what you need to know to do a good job. There are no extra bs classes like womens rights, cause it has nothing to do with the trade.

Hey Like I stated in the first Post, I agreed with everything except the education to Wealth equation.

The reason is...I work for a welfare-to-work agency, and now we have people coming in with MASTERS DEGREES asking for help...

And thanks to Bush, he cut our budget in half, and WE laid people off. I see everything 1st hand right here.

So not only did the economy go into the trash, he cut agency funds for the only places people could get help.

But...if you doin alright, you wouldn't know anything about it.

Oh to my man who was in the WAR, I'm glad you're back. And I DO appreciate that shit.

We didn't pick this president, he cheated, and we've been paying for it every since.

Bush said we was going to disarm Iraq, they gave a day long presentation with spy photos of weapon sites. 7 months later, no WMD, so now we're uh liberating them? But Sadaam is gone, and the "puppet gov't" they set up WILL be PRO american, and it will fall. Bill CLinton said it best, we can't fight the whole world, we're spreading ourselves too thin, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. We got problems here, like all of thee above.

The terrorist won, when they crashed those planes, the trade centers fell along with some of our freedoms. And fear will continue to trap us for well past our times...

^ don't start me up on this subject agian..... How little people search for the real information. There are more sources of public news than just on the local tv station. Please Iraq has granted us more footing on the international threat level than most people know and or willing to admit...

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Hey yeah, but the terrorist came from saudi arabia,

Bin ladin & the taliban are from Afghanistan

Why wouldn't Iraq have beef, we kicked their ass before?

Castro got beef too, Hey Korea and China got beef.

Korea told us "we will bomb that ass if you fuck wit us", how come we didn't fuck with them?

O I L

Do you really not see it, is it just that difficult to see? Come on prior to Iraq the DPRK was threating preemptive strikes agaist us. Meaning nukes, not just our people in the south, but the homeland. Where are those statements know, they disolved the minute we over stepped the UN and launched an offensive on Iraq. I am in the loop, I am briefed everyday, and I do work in the defense arena. That much is known about me. We used Iraq to stand down those nations hotile to us, durring a time of weakness in our militarys history. Every nation hostile to the US, knows we are weaker than in the day's of Regan. How would you fight someone much bigger than you, when he's at his weakest. Once Iraq's economy comes back into play, we then have a US friendly oil producer. We no longer have a dependency to the Sultans in Saudi for thier resources. Now we can move forward in this war on terrorism, and internation politics. So many are dependant on Saudi, yet we can not just deny that dependency. Yet our actions are sending shock waves through them as I type. We stand down the DPRK, and Saudi influence, by freeing a people. Come on that is just genius at its best. Our military planners and leaders are doing exactly that leading. It's not in the best interest of the country to have everyone in the know at the same time. I do have an advantage to access the information, since it is what I do. But many americans have researched in the public doamin and have access to the same information. You just have to look. It's like a game of chess, strategic moves, to ensure an outcome best suited for your side.

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^^ I WAS BEING VERY BLAN ON PURPOSE... yOU COULD READ BETWEEN THE LINES..

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