^LMAO ... And I agree wit Cam ... Grouch is a lot simpler ... And dope too ... Aside from that ... N-Demik explained it good ...

i guess i'm missing our point...

makes him what way? meaning less?

yes, emcees do include stuff that may not make sense to everyone else, but is fitting to themselves. but there is meaning, or shall i say, we find meaning anyhow because why would we like a song which didn't make sense? I do agree than when you jump into something you may miss things, but I wasn't necessarily referring to Aesop.

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if i gotta pick a position, i'mma pick missionary."

whoaaa
im not getting involved in this argument.
all im saying is ace is tres' dope

aes writes in metaphores everything he says in all his verses are metaphores. I know you didn't wanna hear this but it is made ta be taken by everyone in a different way. Your supposed to feel it for how you relate the metaphore to your own life. he's not talking about his life, usually he is talking about life in general or the industry. That's the intrigue of abstract hip hop is taking someone else's thought and turning it into your own.


on the other hand grouch is dope too definately a good suggestion. Or on the abstract side i like slug's shit too but his styles a little hard for alot of people to swallow.

"Sometimes people take it too far. I mean, I don't know... I spend time with what I write, and to a degree I try to make shit connect behind the scenes, but sometimes cats waaaaay over analyze shit. It's cool I guess. If kids find some crazy other meaning for shit and it helps them through their day then that's cool, but I hate when people step to me like "what does it mean when you say... ?" I don't really answer those types of questions. I don't make shit up and everything I say makes sense to me. That's all that is important. I'll tell you what though, I never really thought my shit was that abstract. Most of the time I just think of interesting ways to say "fuck you." That's my main goal."

-Aesop Rock


By the way, "Big Bang" is about his hopes and dreams and plans for the future. Basically, where he wants to go with this "artistry." The trick is to not dissect shit word for word, but focus on the macrocosm. The minute you try to decipher line for line and get specific about it, that is when contradictions rise.


As for my own crazy lyrics, take them anyway you want C-Section, they are open for interpretation.

and Abandon All Hope, when you try to understand those lyrics, think of ABANDONING ALL HOPE.

every fifth marks lands diagonal to symbolize your downfall

and so on.......

^ nice explanation.....

and aesop has some less-complicated songs too... has anyone heard 11:35 with mr. lif? If you hear it a few times, pretty much everything Ace says is understandable

precise i agree he does have a nice flow and presence and he is original and i heard he puts on some dope shows i wont take that away from him, but i still need to understand what the hell he is talking about for me to like him.
thats like lil john he has nice beats and his 3 words he repeats threw the whole song flow nice to the beat, and he get people"crunk" but i still hate him

cam, i heard the guys you named, but i never really sat and listened to them

n-demik hi hows it going

ill Explicit - you said ". he's not talking about his life, usually he is talking about life in general or the industry. "
thats funny cause in an interview i read he said all his song are just personal stuff thats why he is shocked that people even buy it. ill try to find it and post it here.