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Old 11-28-05, 07:42 PM   #1
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lmao @ THIS IS IN THE BIBLE supposed to just make u automatically right


all the rules and shit in the Old Testament were old Hebrew laws, and the world changed with the New Testament, thats the whole point of it... so you cant hold the Old Testament relevant to present life

and Nos is right, God never claimed to just sit around and save everybody's lives... who said that was his job?
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Old 11-28-05, 07:48 PM   #2
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lmao @ THIS IS IN THE BIBLE supposed to just make u automatically right



How am I write or wrong if it's a quote from the bible?? I'm not giving my opinion, I'm QUOTING A SOURCE.

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God never claimed to just sit around and save everybody's lives... who said that was his job?


HE DID! He said he answers all prayers. If you pray to have your life saved what great excuse do you have for why he's not there to save someoen who's spreading the Word Of God. Words like 'women should never hold power over men' and bullshit of the sort. Why woudl he not answer their prayers for their lives?
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Old 11-28-05, 07:54 PM   #3
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if you didnt know the bible WAS edited, if anyone has an original version of the bible, they must be moses' cousin or sumthin
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Old 11-28-05, 07:58 PM   #4
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if you didnt know the bible WAS edited, if anyone has an original version of the bible, they must be moses' cousin or sumthin

Yeah man... Definatly...

Even jesus went from being referenced to as a human prophet with a large family and a wife.... To being a single devine entity.. Or deity...

Religious goons that do shit like that are fucking queer... Its like lying to everyone because they wanna gloss everything up and make it seem like more than it really is.
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Old 11-28-05, 08:02 PM   #5
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if you didnt know the bible WAS edited, if anyone has an original version of the bible, they must be moses' cousin or sumthin


The original scriptures are in a vault that is secured by the Catholic church. Also, The Bible was translated which can mean misinterpretations, but as for being edited, I have never heard of chapters being edited. I know that certain books were left out, but the verses are only translated.
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Old 11-28-05, 08:03 PM   #6
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The original scriptures are in a vault that is secured by the Catholic church. Also, The Bible was translated which can mean misinterpretations, but as for being edited, I have never heard of chapters being edited. I know that certain books were left out, but the verses are only translated.

translated 100+ times, so you might as well say edited
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God put us here and gave us brains to do wtf we want, he gave us all of it...he cant change free will because he created us and put those rules sort of, so whatever the fuck we do we do, its like one big test go ahead light someone on fire but dont whine when you dont get into heaven

yea bla bla there is no heaven and hell etc. i believe there is, you dont

NOBODY WILL WIN, im not trying to change your opinion so dont try to change anyone elses, NOBODY will know until we die simple as that.

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Old 11-28-05, 07:59 PM   #8
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1 Corinthians is written by a man, not God. Let me start off with that. Also, I thank you because I have found my new favorite verse.

Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
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Anyway, the verses leading up to that verse is talking about different tongues, and how only 2-3 people should talk about the scriptures. It does not say that women are not allowed to speak about the scriptures, but that they are not to talk about it in church. Also women at the time did not go to school, and probably would end up just making fools of themselves. Men are not allowed to do some things women are, does that make them un equal? No, just different. People are created equal, but not the same. There is a difference. It is also a society thing.

Example:
Women can wear tight pants in our community without anyone saying anything.
Guys cannot wear tight pants without being mocked, harassed, etc...

Each sex can do certain things in public, but it all depends on a society and what they consider right and wrong.

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The Bible is a guide, not a manual.

Also, I don't agree with everything people say. That's just morals. That is why there are so many different kinds of religion. People believe certain things, gather more followers, then become a religion. The difference is if what they do is morally right/wrong, and if it is the truth. How do we know which one is the truth? That is just belief. Like compose said, no one will win or lose, but someone might understand the Christian belief which is good enough.

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God says that he had a divine plan that covered every fraction of a moment of everyone's life, down to the smallest detail.


But smallest detail to God may be when they grow, who dies in their family, etc... It doesn't mean he plans out how many times you are going to breathe in the next 5 minutes. The "Divine Plan" is a plan of life, not how the life is led.

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Choosing how the word of your God is applied in your life is being selectively religious.


Ugh. Religion, such an ugly thing. Religion is a set of procedures made by man because they think that it is the right thing to do. I recently went back to my old church, and one thing I noticed that I hated is how they made it feel like we are little insects and God is the person going, "Ewwww!!! Humans!!!!" I believe God loves us and wants to help us, but how can he help people who won't trust/believe in him? People who don't ask him for help or forgiveness until they need it? Who don't pray until they have to? Also, your beLIEve thing is kind of childish. It can be spelled beleve, would that make you feel better? No it wouldn't. You would still not trust something unless it was in your hands, so really you are just scared to believe in something you can't see.
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The Bible is a guide, not a manual.

1: Also, I don't agree with everything people say. That's just morals. That is why there are so many different kinds of religion. People believe certain things, gather more followers, then become a religion. The difference is if what they do is morally right/wrong, and if it is the truth. How do we know which one is the truth? That is just belief. Like compose said, no one will win or lose, but someone might understand the Christian belief which is good enough.



2: But smallest detail to God may be when they grow, who dies in their family, etc... It doesn't mean he plans out how many times you are going to breathe in the next 5 minutes. The "Divine Plan" is a plan of life, not how the life is led.



3: Ugh. Religion, such an ugly thing. Religion is a set of procedures made by man because they think that it is the right thing to do. I recently went back to my old church, and one thing I noticed that I hated is how they made it feel like we are little insects and God is the person going, "Ewwww!!! Humans!!!!" I believe God loves us and wants to help us, but how can he help people who won't trust/believe in him? People who don't ask him for help or forgiveness until they need it? Who don't pray until they have to? Also, your beLIEve thing is kind of childish. It can be spelled beleve, would that make you feel better? No it wouldn't. You would still not trust something unless it was in your hands, so really you are just scared to believe in something you can't see.



1: Luckily, we're not discussing "many different kinds of religion" we're discussing Christianity and every other division there of in relation to "God" and the Bible.

2: you're assuming. "maybe" You're guessing and filling in data that's the exact opposite of what was stated. "to the smallest detail". There's nothing vague about that. A plan is an orchestrated and timed sequence of events. No where in the definiton of the word "plan" is anything even remotely close to "free will", so how are you guessing all this info that's not there? You're doing the normal thing people do when some facet of their religion is in queston and they guess and make up great reasons this and that happens. If God loves everyone so, why does he say men shoudl keep their wonem subserviant and submissive? And I also notice you didn't pick up that slavery in the bible argument either...

3: How is it childish? That's how it's spelled. The word "believe" has the word "lie" at the center of it. The fact that you even say that you "beieve" something immediately states that you're guessing and having confidence in something you otherwise have no logical reason ot have confidence in. ask a dictionary. You're deviating in all sorts of directions away from the issues. I don't "believe" anything, I either know it or I don't. Facts speak clearly, and any "God" would be BEYOND doubt. Abnormal things would happen every day if he were really here to help you. you're just part of his plan. He loves everythin right? So he loves you, jsut as much as he loves a person who would take your life. He loves you just as much as he loves AIDS and cancer. HE CREATED EVERYTHING. you cna't assume that ANYTHING that happens could possibly be "bad" if it's creaed by a being who's "perfect", since that's the way they designed it and planned it all to work.
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1: I understand you feel that way, but God states that your life was PLANNED OUT. As in written form start to finish. You have no choice and no opportunity to deviate from the course according to God, so which is it? Prayer, or Plan? At least one of them is obviously untrue seeing that they're both complete opposites of one another.

2: Who ever said God dosen't exist? I said god isn't HERE. REad the opening statement of this thread, because you're going off into the existance of god and all this - I'm saying that god isn't present.

And on that note, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You feel how you feel and refuse to see otherwise and that's fine. This isn't the thread for you. You're trying to convince me, but I'm not trying to convince you. I'm asking questions and looking at facts that are proven and verified, vs hearsay with no ecidence, witnesses or any other form of proof other than what some miscellaneous person wrote on some scrolls. If that's enough for you to accept it as true, then more power to you.


I said I dont believe in the bible word for word =/
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Dictionary contains definitions that people have made...how do we know that the words didn't mean something completely different? You are guessing as well. Do you have solid evidence that there is no God? No. Do you have solid evidence proving without a shadow of a doubt that there is a God? No. Nothing is for sure, there are always little factors that can change something.
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Dictionary contains definitions that people have made...how do we know that the words didn't mean something completely different? You are guessing as well. Do you have solid evidence that there is no God? No. Do you have solid evidence proving without a shadow of a doubt that there is a God? No. Nothing is for sure, there are always little factors that can change something.



And the Bible contains words that people have made. Matter fact, it's the SAME words. ALL those words have definitions, coincidentially, all listed in Dictionaries. You make it sound liek it's a completely differnet language, when its in English. Definitions don't change. The same word today meant the same thing 100 years ago, slang excluded. If there's an alternate definition, it's listed in the dictionary as well. You almost make it sound liek the average person isn't smart enough to interpret theor own native tongue.

And "without a shadow of a doubt" is IMPOSSIBLE to someone who's already convinced that anything other than their views of their religion is correct and the only way. If you wanted to know something , you'd ask. You wouldn't proclaim, so to say you have a geenuine interest to see an alternate view is false.
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It's called trust and judgement.
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You are questioning whether I look at both sides?

I know why you question Christianity, because there is so no solid evidence except for a book on if it is true.

Period. You can make up anything else you say, but that reason is why you don't believe it. Also, no it doesn't mean the same thing. Things change, meanings change, and the way people think change. Also, it is a different language. It is called Latin. I have studied a little of it, and if you study any language you know that there are some words in that language that cannot be translated into an English word.

For the intelligence comment, why do you think we have English classes?

Also, you contradicted yourself in the last paragraph. Only, you are convinced that anything you believe is correct, and no one else is right. So really I guess the debate is pointless, because you aren't even going to think that I could be right, where as I consider it, but in the end I still believe in God. Do you even think about other possibilities, or do you just read the paragraphs and try to think of how I'm wrong and not how I might be right?

And when I said next, I was meaning let's move on to the next topic. You just didn't move on so I assumed we weren't going off the subject.
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