RapVerse.com Community
 Phenom | Kingz | Dabatos | TonySelf | Tha Q | Half Breed | Tito | 7th End RV Radio  

Go Back   RapVerse.com Community > The block > Lyricist Lounge
User Name
Password
FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-23-03, 04:07 PM   #1
MuhThugga
Middle Weight
 
Posts: 1,617
Joined: Sep 2002
Status: Offline
Text Record: 0-0
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
Aesop = Misogynist?

IP: 2DF8 44D6

Alright, so I go to a Catholic school, and in my theology class our teacher allows us to bring in CD's or something that hold meaning to us. So I brought in Labor Days since it helps me think more clearly and holds significance for me.

I played one of my favorite tracks of all time, "Daylight"

Now, I realize that the lyrics "Life's not a bitch, life is a beautiful woman. You only call her a bitch because she won't let you get that pussy" can be brought to question as being appropriate or not in a school environment, but once I cut down the lines and thought about what they really meant, I saw no problem in what was being said.

So it plays, and once the song is over, the first thing my teacher says is that she usually accepts and is open to music, but Hip-Hop is notorious for being misgynistic among detractors. Then she goes on to call Aesop a misogynist and that she is insulted I brought such discriminating garbage into the classroom.

Now, I don't care if you like what I like or not, but what gets at me is the fact that she hates it for the wrong reason. I even tried explaining the lyric to her (someone who's pet peeve is people taking everything literally) and she cuts me off with misinterpreted statements of how it was a direct attack on woman and he is displaying his thoughts of male domination over the inferior female race.

I just stopped talking after that as I saw there was absolutely no reasoning with her and I might as well had just turned and argued to the wall. Me personally, I think she was just bringing up the lyric as an excuse to attack Hip-Hop directly, as she made sure the door was closed and turned the volume down once Aesop's voice kicked in.

Regardless, should I even attempt to try and clarify this with her? It is bugging the Hell out of me that someone can be so close minded to explanations and reasoning once they make an assumption, regardless if it is based on wrong or misinterpreted information or not.
Send a message via AIM to MuhThugga   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 04:09 PM   #2
Dez
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Joined:
Status:
Text Record: 0-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: 2D0A 6763

nope. shes too close minded to be told the truth. you take the good with the bad friend, and the good about that is that maybe people in your class who never heard Aesop before will go buy a CD of his..
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 04:15 PM   #3
Lokinator
peace
 
Lokinator's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,242
Joined: Mar 2003
From: in the limelight
Status: Offline
Text Record: 1-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: 399E F0FD

Some People Have Wrong Opinions Of Things. You Can't Argue Against These Wrong Opinions As They Can Only Be Changed By the Person Who Holds Them. Narrow Mindedness is a Fickle Thing.





But Anyway, Below Is a Picture Of Two People Having Sex:












































Only Kidding.. Believe in Jesus...!!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 04:26 PM   #4
Lethargic
Middle Weight
 
Posts: 828
Joined: Sep 2003
From: Campbellsville
Status: Offline
IP: 9DAE 3ADA

Yes, you should. However, with someone like that you must layout your explanation very carefully. Think it out...hell, write it out first if you have to. Just make sure you state clearly that you would appreciate it if she would hear you out first before she comments. Just so that she can get the full effect. Then, if she still says no, then that just makes her look close minded and foolish in front of her pupils.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 04:28 PM   #5
Lokinator
peace
 
Lokinator's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,242
Joined: Mar 2003
From: in the limelight
Status: Offline
Text Record: 1-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: 399E F0FD

I Don't Think Anyone Has the Right to Try n Change People's Opinions. If She Wants to Believe That Then Let Her, Don't Let it Bother You.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 04:37 PM   #6
MuhThugga
Middle Weight
 
Posts: 1,617
Joined: Sep 2002
Status: Offline
Text Record: 0-0
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: 2DF8 44D6

The only thing that is bothering me is the fact that she based it off of a misinterpretation and won't even try to hear the truth....I'm not trying to change her mind, I'm trying to correct her mistake....
Send a message via AIM to MuhThugga   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 04:37 PM   #7
Lethargic
Middle Weight
 
Posts: 828
Joined: Sep 2003
From: Campbellsville
Status: Offline
IP: 9DAE 3ADA

He doesn't have to try and change her opinion. However, I don't think people should only be open to one perspective. You can hear someone elses opinion without having to put stock in it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 04:57 PM   #8
Lokinator
peace
 
Lokinator's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,242
Joined: Mar 2003
From: in the limelight
Status: Offline
Text Record: 1-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: 399E F0FD

Don't Worry MuhThugga, We Will Be Going to Heaven
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 05:31 PM   #9
Mental God
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Joined:
Status:
Text Record: 0-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: CF58 3674

dumb bitch... kill her... immeadiatly...
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 05:38 PM   #10
C-Section
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Joined:
Status:
Text Record: 0-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: 872B E5DF

thats how one of my teachers was, we were suposed to find poems and present them to the class, i asked her is we could you poems by rappers and she said know cause all rappers do is degrade females and they arent really talented writers,

so i got some poems by sage francis, mos def, common, erikah badu and pac and showed them to here and she still didnt accept them, then i got some more poems by the same people and just put some fake names on them and she accepted them and was like " wow those were great im going to have to read more of their poems"

3 days later she came to me and said she couldnt find any poems by those poets i i told her the real names and she was still in denial.....
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 05:43 PM   #11
Mental God
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Joined:
Status:
Text Record: 0-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: CF58 3674

lmao.... i had to do that one time and i brought in too short cause my teacher hates rap too... but i didnt care... i read it out to the class too, funniest thing EVER lol
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 06:44 PM   #12
/:Ayura:\
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Joined:
Status:
Text Record: 0-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: CC07 EC19

Quote:
thats how one of my teachers was, we were suposed to find poems and present them to the class, i asked her is we could you poems by rappers and she said know cause all rappers do is degrade females and they arent really talented writers,

so i got some poems by sage francis, mos def, common, erikah badu and pac and showed them to here and she still didnt accept them, then i got some more poems by the same people and just put some fake names on them and she accepted them and was like " wow those were great im going to have to read more of their poems"

3 days later she came to me and said she couldnt find any poems by those poets i i told her the real names and she was still in denial.....


that really makes me mad, i blame it on the phuking commericial gangster rap, with no writing talent what-so ever.

teachers are just pawns of the goverment, governed to govern us into a certain set of level of thinking, and hide us from the thruth

bastards.

and anyways about your teacher, dont give up, tell her to live in the ghetto for a week and see how she finds it. she mite end up more gangster then styles p herself.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 06:45 PM   #13
/:Ayura:\
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Joined:
Status:
Text Record: 0-1
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: CC07 EC19

and tell her what multis and internals etc are, if she isnt impressed by then, she is a herb that needs merked
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 07:17 PM   #14
MuhThugga
Middle Weight
 
Posts: 1,617
Joined: Sep 2002
Status: Offline
Text Record: 0-0
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: 2DF8 44D6

ha ha ha.....Sage Francis does some of the sickest spoken word shit ever.....

yeah...I guess I'll talk to her......the problem is that as soon as they hear a vulgarity they automatically shut off....or if they hear any form of Hip-Hop they automaticlly shut off and disregard it as stupid and unintelligent.
Send a message via AIM to MuhThugga   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-03, 08:57 PM   #15
D-Dizzle
Ya Mama's Favorite
 
D-Dizzle's Avatar
 
Posts: 742
Joined: Sep 2002
From: The east-side of Da D (Detroit)
Status: Offline
Text Record: 11-2
Audio Record: 0-0
Graphics Record: 0-0
IP: 50FC 5DFD

Well it seems to me you said it yourself...shit, you go to a catholic school....with most of the head administration and teachers are conservitive and 'stuck in they ways' so to speak...She might think she's open minded but everybody think they nice too,nahmean? Even killers think they are a nice person..so obviously she's not..cuz shes feeding into what the Bill O'Rileys and conservitive media is telling them what hip-hop is...so thats the image they see when they think 'hip-hop' even though thats not the case...you tryin to beat life into a dead horse, ma'man. She already got her mind made up that all hip-hop is gangsta, pimp, balla shit....
__________________


Bang On The Table Productions
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:10 PM.

Powered by vBulletin.
Copyright © 2000-2004 Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.