oh...there you go...just in the nick of time..

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Shit, might as well post again.

Pinky, I'll ask you the same question I asked Blay. What makes you think you know what you're talking about? If you've gone to college, what's your major? What's your GPA? What knowledge or learning do you have that makes you believe the way you do?

Here, I'll go first. I go to Arizona State and I'm majoring in Business Finance. My GPA is 3.94. I've taken quite a few classes, but I only find 2 of them to be relevant in this discussion. I was taught macroeconomics and microeconomics by a guy who has been praised by 5 Nobel Prize winners in economics. I did very well in both of those classes.

How about you?

i'm getting real tired of you ducking me man.

If you don't get on aim sometime in this next week...i'm going to your school right before oregon plays asu and holding rudy carpenter hostage.

can you and your friends handle being ranked in the top 20 two years in a row and losing to us both times?

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Time is not long, and indecision is hells cemment. So the well is rented, untill heaven is relevant. Untill then, to be eloquent, sex cells, so le'ts cellibate.

"watch what you watchin...fox keeps feedin' us toxin's..stop sleepin' start thinkin outside of the box and unplug from the matrix doctrine....but watch what you say cause big brother is watchin" - nas - sly fox

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First off, if you belivie that by attending college...that your on another level of intellientence. Your wrong. Thats just a common judement most people interpurt.

'Im going to college, i'll be successful, becuase someone gave me a piece of paper!'

Now, i can't hate on anyone who is attending college. Its tough, n it takes alot of work. So....congrats on your 3.94.

I'm sure if i had actually gaven a shit, i could have attained something better than the 3.2 i had.

I was majoring in Philosophy/History...

As far as the comment, that i had posted about the goverement agency. How trustworthy is our goverment. We all know, and can easily look back and see the lies that the goverment has fed us before to keep our spirts, either A. Postive or B. Negative. All goverment really is, is a pyschology enforcement of human will. The simply use pyschological tactics to trick people into believin in the goverment.

Don't belviie me? That our goverment is hypocritcal? N just a huge ball of bullshit?

All Men Should Be Created Equal? No? Yes?

yes, of course. Thats why our four fathers defended that statement.

So why the fuck woudl they still have slaves? George Washington, had huge amounts of slaves.

Our goverment is simply a group of people, who we 'freely' elect, and look out for their interest's first. Than the interest's of the people that elected them. Its common human nature to look out for oneself before someone else.

I'm not complaining about our govermerment, because i couldnt' have accomplsihed the things i have. Or have the things i have with out. So to sit and bash it, would be hypocritcal.

I'm just not foolish enough to belivie that the goverment is looking out for the best interest of its people @ all times.

But, hey ....what the fuck do i know.

Maybe i could check out www.IRS.com n figure a few things out.

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I believe that college has allowed me to get to a level of understanding and knowledge of the economy (among other things, but they aren't near as relavent to this thread as the economy is), and so yes, I believe that by me going and listening and studying and learning, that it makes me more knowledgeable about the economy then most people. I'm not talking about intelligence, as I'm not sure of a way that intelligence can be measured or compared. I'm talking about knowledge and learning. Your cop out of, "Oh I could have done better if I wanted to" is jack shit to me. Earlier in this thread you stated, "Who HASN'T cheated in college?," which implies that YOU have. Regardless of whether you cheated your way through or not, even though I'm pretty sure you did, ANYBODY can say they could have done better at ANYTHING. I could be saying, "Yeah, if I had given a shit in high school I could have won a bunch of scholarships and gone to Harvard and then I'd be really set!," but I'm not saying that because nobody ever gives a shit what you think you could have done.

I'm not going to be successful because I went to college. I'm going to be successful because I learned things and attained knowledge that I wouldn't have if I had opted to not go to college.

Man, you're either naive or stupid if you think the information provided by the BEA or the IRS is wrong. I seriously can't believe you dudes who are like, "Oh, anybody can just go in there and change something and nobody would notice, despite the holes in the data that would create!" I have NEVER seen somebody say information provided by the Bureau of Economic Analysis is inaccurate or biased. Only on rapverse, which doesn't say much.

And what's your point about slaves? I know some of the older presidents had slaves. I think Andrew Jackson was one of the, if not the worst, president in the history of the United States. He owned slaves, supported slavery and pushed Native Americans from east of the Mississippi River to Oklahoma. You telling me presidents are people and have fucked up before is not news to me.

See, the difference between you and mim's, is that i respect other peoples opinions and try to understand what the difference is between you and me.

I feel as if you on the other hand, have a resement type of mind set to people who differ from you.

I enjoy reading different things, and drawing conclusions based on differing opinions. I think its the best, and most logical way to draw a fair and unbiased opinion.

And as far as you drawing some conclusion, that i've cheated through college? Yeah, thats wrong. In all of my college class's, there was alot of kids who did cheat. I wasn't one of them. Weather or not you belivie that, is up to you. I just thought it was funny, becuase 90% of the college athletes, mostly football players, who were in my class's...some how magically would get A's ...n never show up to class.

N for your lil ramble about Jackson...yes your right, Andrew Jackson was a huge douche bag. And a complete racist, good job by our goverment by printing him all of the 20 dollar bill, huh?

I never said that the IRS, or the other website's information was ALWAYS false, but you can't sit there and say that the goverment is always 100% forthcoming with information.

If they were, why is it that the deparment of defense, doens't have to be liable to post up what they purchase?

If you really want to go into some debate about how our goverment has major loop holes to hide tax money, and were its going. I'm all for it.

I hope you respect my views, just as i do yours. N if you dont, thats fine.

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I'm not talking about the Department of Defense. I don't care why they don't post up what they purchase. I'm talking about the Bureau of Economic Analysis. They've labeled when we've been in recessions, when our economy has been in the gutter, as well as when our economy has been doing extremely well. They're unbiased. What reason do they have to post up inaccurate information? They don't have one. That's why they don't do it.

I'm not saying it's outside all realms of possibility for the BEA to post up something that's not accurate, it just hasn't happened. Liberals and conservatives alike use the BEA to gather economic data. It's not a biased organization, and they have no reason to hide necessary data.

Obviously a goverment site, is the most accurate place for information. Becuase all new's station's base there skewed and fucked up points, off those sites.


I'm just saying, that anyone who belivies everything on those sites, is gulible.

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hmm....what you just said you were saying...and what you actually said...are very, very different....it's cool though.

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Time is not long, and indecision is hells cemment. So the well is rented, untill heaven is relevant. Untill then, to be eloquent, sex cells, so le'ts cellibate.

"watch what you watchin...fox keeps feedin' us toxin's..stop sleepin' start thinkin outside of the box and unplug from the matrix doctrine....but watch what you say cause big brother is watchin" - nas - sly fox

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I think its just that my first comment, may have been stated wrong. Which lead to this whole thing.

but, yeeeeaaaa goverment!

*waits for 2v to jump in with a conspriacy theory*

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I'm voting for myself. Lowering gas prices to 2$ a gallon for 87 and fixing this economy. Stopping this war cuz i bet you 5 bucks Osama Bin Laden is a ficticous government created character and 9/11 was caused by the government to raise gas prices in turn making prices rise on everything. This country is shit. Put me in charge I could fix it.

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THE TRUTH IS I'M BETTER THAN YOU

you're not eligible to run. and no you couldnt

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Time is not long, and indecision is hells cemment. So the well is rented, untill heaven is relevant. Untill then, to be eloquent, sex cells, so le'ts cellibate.

"watch what you watchin...fox keeps feedin' us toxin's..stop sleepin' start thinkin outside of the box and unplug from the matrix doctrine....but watch what you say cause big brother is watchin" - nas - sly fox

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I know you're bullshitting, but I'll sledgehammer your post anyway. Gases are priced the way they are due to simple supply and demand. The government isn't controlling the price, and neither is Exxon or any of these other big, bad corporations. The supply has gone down, so the price has gone up. It's macroeconomics. If you became president of a country that functions under a capitalistic economy, you couldn't change the price of gas.

If you really think 9/11 was caused by the government you're a retard. I've been saying this forever. If you think the government's "motive" to bring the towers was to raise gas prices, then refer to paragraph 1 where I already killed the prospect of the government controlling the price of anything, including gas.

This country is fine. You'd be the worst president that ever happened.

Fuck McCain. Dude will prolly die before 2v. And that's saying a lot b. OBAMA!!

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Not voting for McCain because he may die is the worst reason that ever happened to vote for Obama. Obama could just as easily get assassinated early as hell in his term, so. . ?

I don't mind when people say they're voting for Obama because they care about or value different things then I do. If you think ending the war, or securing woman's rights, or picking who you believe will be the better foreign diplomat is more important than capitalism, then that's fine to me. I'm not going to debate somebody's values. It's just really annoying if you say you're going to vote for Obama because McCain will use taxes to help the rich, or because McCain may die. In my opinion, those aren't valid reasons to not vote for somebody. I've already showed that Bush's tax cuts have not helped the rich, and not voting for somebody because they may die just seems like a cop out to me.