honestly there is to much pride involved with body building, to much of an ego.
and adam, the day your soul doesnt reach that next level? what do you mean by that?
and weak or lost? im not weak but lost perhaps? yeah. sick of drinking, smoking, partying to escape reality,yeah its all pointless, and doesnt get anything done nor make me feel any better the next day. all that ish does is fill a temporary void,
its all the same ish thats getting me no where but a job that doesnt pay ish, i get paid commission but its only like 12 to 14 an hour, you cant start a family on that kind of salary.

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"the loudest one in the room is the weakest"- frank lucas..

If people don't have the love of God in them how can they understand? The truth is you'll discover one day when God returns and regret everything, but it will be to late.

I understand Talksic about the gym, it's why I backed away from music a lot.



Romans 8:31-34 (New King James Version)

God’s Everlasting Love

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

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honestly its sad that it will be to late for some people, we can preach with everything we have but some people have been through so much that its hard for them to except, and theyll do anything to rationalize that god doesnt exist to make them feel better.
i talk about this off the net and have written about it and am working on songs about it but if someone can understand the concept of free will, they will see the bigger picture. but as for me sense i stopped lifting weights, ive noticed music is my only outlet for my anger, which is derived from my current living situation. i think im going to continue martial arts as a way to vent my frustration. martial arts and music.

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You've got me pegged all wrong.

By all the means follow your false sense of security. If you were a real man you could break your habbits and further yourself on your own. Regardless if you do or not with this belief that somebody is helping you, it's only going to be you doing it. The sad part is that you won't even enjoy that satisfaction of your own personal achievements because you'll thank something else for it when there was never anything there.

I never said I don't believe in the existance of a higher power, but to follow the Bible? That's the biggest running joke I've ever seen.

There's no Heaven and Hell and no matter what you do you're not going anywhere after you die. Quit telling people what to follow and actually do something for them that matters, that'll really make your spirit fly.

Although I disagree with the majority of your post, I think you described the essence of what Jesus taught by saying "do something for them that matters". That is the basis of what Christians should be doing. Love God and love others. Those are the two commands that the gospel is centered around.

Those aren't the only commands.

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Rey, I never said those are the only two commands, but EVERYTHING in the Bible hangs on these two: Love God and love others.

Jesus says it himself in the New Testament.

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Thats all.

I agree with everything except "you're not going anywhere after you die". People need faith, if we feel like there's nothing after we die, then what's the point of living right now. A lot of people would feel that way. There obviously has to be a higher power out there, be it that higher power is simply science or infact a celestial power. Either way humans contain energy and energy cannot be destroyed. I feel like our energy will travel somewhere and be in peace, or atleast our energy will become one with the energy of the universe and to me, that would be a beautiful thing....

And Adam never said the bible teaches hate, he said it teaches fear, which is true. Accept Jesus as your savior or burn for all eternity in hell, yea that doesn't sound like a threat to me at all.... Obey the commandments or suffer the punishment of God, yikes. There are many stories and accounts in the bible where God interacts with humans and punishes them. When they all believed in some giant statue God got mad and punished them because it says in the commandments "obey me as your only God". Word? Well didn't God create humans with free-will according to the bible? So he gave muh fuckas free will, then gets mad when they use their free-will to believe in something else? A God who gets butthurt over something he himself allowed humans to do? Yea that doesn't sound fishy at all. The bible tries to humanize God so much in order to make us relate to him it's disgusting.

Like Adam said there's a lot in the bible (and any other holy scriptures of almost any other religion) that has a lot of positive aspects that are good for people to follow. But the bottom line is, God didn't write the bible, and neither did Jesus. It's all second hand accounts of stories that happened, written by a man, not by God or Jesus (though it claims to be their words) and translated over years and years and years. If you think it's still the same text as the original bible in its original language, oh man... No, sorry but no. And like I said when a story is written about Jesus, it's not Jesus himself who wrote that story, it's someone else giving their own version and viewpoint on what transpired, not a first hand account from the lord and savior Jesus Christ himself. Some people may not believe that the stories in the bible ever happened. I'm undecided but one thing I do consider is that, even if these stories actually happened, I have a notion that they would be very different if they written by Jesus himself. If my best friend wrote a story about a party we went to together and everything I myself did at this party, it'd probably be a very similair account of that nights actions as mine would be if I was the one who wrote it, but there would definetly be differences. And that's just a one night thing about something simple...

Also like I mentioned these are passed down and translated stories too. You remember that game you used to play as a kid where you'd all sit in a line and one person would whisper in the ear of the person beside him a phrase like "mother went to the store and got some milk today" and by the time the phrase went down the entire chain of people and got to the end and the teacher asked the last person what the phrase he was told was it'd end up being a similair phrase but very different like "mothers at stores bought milk for days" Yea well... you know exactly what I'm trying to say.

You need to realize that back then people were not as educated and when stories traveled they tended to get highly exagerated. Such can be seen throughout all of history. There are many written accounts of great Roman emperors who did something spectacular like winning a great battle and when you read a written account of the events and compare say a west-roman account of this great battle compared to a east-roman account you notice they are similair yet bear so many differences that it would lead one to believe, had they not known, that these were stories of two completely seperate events even though they are not. Almost always in most cases it appears that the account written by someone in the area closest to where it happened is always so much more simple then the account written by someone further away who the story eventually travels too, and such becomes one of an all powerfull and celestial and god-like Emperor who is immortal and etc etc when the other account closer to where the events actually occured simply state something like he was a good General this day and they won a triumphant battle and then held a festival to celebrate. Humanities class teaches this and shows documented proof of how accounts of the same event written by someone who heard it in the western part of the empire can be so different from one written in the east.

Suffice to say this leads me to believe that stories such as David and Goliath may very well be real, but just highly exagerated accounts. Back then people were much shorter, that was the genetics back then. People were much shorter then they are now. If Kobe Bryant back then was a warrior who killed a bunch of people in a battle, an account of the battle would probably say something like "A 10 foot giant god of war who could slay 8 men with one swipe of his over sized blade destroyed the entire army himself" Trust me. Because people back then were not educated and things that seem simple to us these days, may have seemed like spectacular events back then. I really doubt Goliath was 9"5' tall like the bible says because it very well states that he is infact human, just a giant human, but says nothing about his extreme height coming from any kind of celestial power. Really? Because the tallest human officially documented was Robert Wadlow and he was something like 8"10' and died in his early 20's because being that tall isn't healthy. So how could someone from a time period where people generally aren't even close to as tall as they are these days, become 9"5' and still be healthy enough to not die at such a young age regarding their medicine was shit compared to today and still be healthy enough to be a great warrior? Robert Wadlow needed fucking braces to walk.... Goliath was even taller running around slicing guys the fuck up in battles? Ok, sure.

The dude was probably 6"5' which back then seemed massive. I doubt anyone would even have the balls to walk up to him and be like "uhm hey can I messure you and find out how tall you really are?" because he probably was some crazy barbarian that'd just fuck you up for asking. So people just looked at him and were like "holy fuck he's tall as shit lets write about him and just assume he's 9 feet tall because we're dur dur dur stupid and don't have a 21st education".

No but seriously just use your fucking brains. We aren't the 1600's anymore. Accept the fact that science is real. I'm never going to say the bible is false, the stories could very well be real, but please consider that they may infact be highly exagerated and should not be taken literally but only read for the messages and morals they possess.

K I know you're all too Godly to use common logic because you've been brain-washed for too long but I'm not saying anything bad or negative or down-playing any religion. It just is what it is man, and deep down you all know what I'm saying is true...

Luke 9:42
And still as the boy came forward, the demon dropped him to the ground in a convulsion, and Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit and delivered the boy back to his father.

Sounds to me like a regular ass epilectic seizure. Jesus probably witnissed this and jumped on the boy and held him firmly so the kid wouldn't spaz out and hurt himself, then once the seizure was over the people around him were like "omg wtf was that, that kid was shaking like crazy he must have been posessed but 30 seconds after Jesus held him, he stopped, so Jesus must have gotten rid of the evil spirit OMGZ!!!!" and then they wrote that passage......

No but seriously.... come on guys.... seriously.

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I knew the intelligence level of America was lower than most countries, but this low? Sort of depressing.

The Bible has some half decent guidelines towards how people should act, but when your motivation to follow these rules is driven by fear, it doesn't really count. If the Bible told you to hate a certain race, would you? The fact that Christians need an imaginary figure to tell them to love and respect people and that's the only reason they're doing it is just fucking pathetic.

Love one another, not one person excluded, race, gender, sexuality or age because together we could find peace. It's fear that drives us away from love, stop believing in fear and start believing in love, real love, real peace.

If there is a God and he doesn't accept you for caring about everybody and loving one another.. well.. sounds like a great God doesn't it?

The bible doesn't teach hate.

2 Timothy 1:7 (New King James Version)

7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

1 John 4:18 (New King James Version)

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

1 Corinthians 13:4-9 (New King James Version)

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

John 3:16 (King James Version)

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God is love

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Your argument is quoting something that I consider a joke?

You only know about the Bible because you were either raised by it or heard about it where you live.

If you were raised in other parts of the world you would never have this to quote, but you would quote some other book to some other God that your current one disagrees with even though they carry the same messages.

Come on man, you're better than that.

Much props talksic. Just ignore adam, there's always going to be people that wont understand (mark 4:11-12.) We all made did somethings we regret in the past, but guarantee this will be the best decision of your life bro! I will never change the life I now have with Christ for the life I use to have without Him. (mark 8:26-37)

"Seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and He'll give you everything you need." Matt 6:33
"Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." Matthew 10:39

But yo lysol just ignore adam for now, he clearly stated what we believe in is a Joke, so no matter what you share with him from scripture, just wont get through his hard heart. Even though I can point to so many other parts of the world that believe in and live out the Gospel even in the face of violent persecution, it just wont matter if he doesn't have an open heart to listen. "Ephesians 4:18"

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