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Old 07-27-05, 08:10 PM   #1
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^^maybe. but not in rap. the problem is that femcees don't stay in the limelight. How many femcees cna anyone name that are nice AND stayed at it? I'll give you a moment to think about it, then think about why.

because no one buys there shit because it doesnt get radio play like males music do so thats y
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Old 07-27-05, 09:52 PM   #2
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because no one buys there shit because it doesnt get radio play like males music do so thats y


nah, not always. They'll get radio play and simply not sell. Ala Rah Digga. Ala Jean Grae. JG gets more undergorund radio play than 50 gets mainstream play. And she STILL dosen't sell. Luckily she's signed to a minor so the profit margin is WAY bigger.
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Old 07-28-05, 01:34 PM   #3
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nah, not always. They'll get radio play and simply not sell. Ala Rah Digga. Ala Jean Grae. JG gets more undergorund radio play than 50 gets mainstream play. And she STILL dosen't sell. Luckily she's signed to a minor so the profit margin is WAY bigger.

no dats not true males get more playtime den females unless they're singin n Jean Grae neva heard nethang of her's on the radio i had to download her stuff jus to hear it
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Old 07-27-05, 05:28 PM   #4
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Lil' Kim stayed in the ime light cuz she's a ho...not to say that she's not good cuz as much as I hate her, she sikk-wid-it so yeah whatever, lol...

but yeah, females in the industry are their own downfall really...

then again, females that are pretty good (even if she doesn't write all her shit) like Shawnna get no publicity and go nowhere when they actually got hott lyrics and style...

Da Brat is washed up as FUCK, I mean damn she was on The Surreal Life for Kryst sakes...muh FUCKin' Trina sucks donkey balls...

EVE is the only female right now that deserves any real recognition, but she doin' her thing wid her show and shit, she's SUPPOSED to be coming with an album withing the next year or so, I hope she does cuz I'm sick of seeing wack male rappers like Mike Jones gettin' on and selling millions and there hasn't been a good female rapper out since when EVE had some CDs out...

to me, I'd say in some ways females get more respect and in some we don't...if a female beat Eminem yes she'd get more shine than a guy would cuz people would be like "damn he got beat by a chick" but unless she did something like that she wouldn't be thought of as anything for real until she did something super stellar...

honestly, a female would never get away with saying the bullshit that these dudes like Lil' Flip, Mike Joes, Young Jeezy and all them be saying and still sell records...rap isn't geared toward female listeners, much less female rappers...if a female talked about FUCKin' niggas like these dudes talk about FUCKin' bitchez...or talk about Prada like these niggas talk about all their gear, they wouldn't get anywhere in the industry but niggas talk about the same type of shit and still do...

in other words, nah, female rappers get NO respect fuh real...
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Old 07-27-05, 06:10 PM   #5
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Female rappers fall off because they lose their sex appeal. Once the market dosen't view them as 'sexy' they're finished. Half of the reason is because they're females playing a male role of dominance and the average mofo don't wanna be dominated by a woman physically, mentally, or lyrically so to stay on, they have to act submissive and/or play the sidekick at one point or another. If you think you're gonna play the "baddest bitch" role for your entire career and still move units, you're wrong. That novelty wears off extremely quickly. Of course, none of them are trying to hear that and they eventually become a statistic. There's a formula for every type of emcee to be succesful over a course of say 3 album or 3 years. The Femcees out now are trying to rewrite that formula and be trail blazers (as I'd expect anyone would want to) but they're dropping like flies. Till they come to terms with the fact that the formula works, the cycle is just gonna keep on repeating.
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Old 07-27-05, 06:55 PM   #6
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werd, I completely agree with you Dooms...that's why you're a smart guy, lol
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Old 07-27-05, 08:12 PM   #7
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lil kim is the wackest femcee around any girl on this site is better than her
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Old 07-27-05, 08:47 PM   #8
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Dooms has got a good point about the formula. femcees don't make it when they try to subvert the formula in some way, the second they make it.

And btw i don't think lil kim is the illest at all....far from it in fact
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Old 07-28-05, 10:11 AM   #9
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yo I been hearing the name Jean Grae for MADD long and still have never heard anything of hers...and if so many people know she iLL, why don't they put her on their album or something?...I don't get how people know about folks and big their skills up so hard but if she had a CD coming out how many of ya'll would actually go buy it?...prolly not many at all...and she doesn't have that "sex appeal" where she talkin about dick then muh FUCKas aren't gonna wanna hear it...people don't wanna hear lyrics, they want a pretty face, boobs and ass hanging out, saying complete garbage...not a female lyricist...

at least that's how I precieve things to be from the current state of females in the rap industry at the moment...

P.S. Lil' Kim is by no means great, and I really can't stand her ass, but I gotta admit that she's at least good at what she does...
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Old 07-28-05, 04:59 PM   #10
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yo I been hearing the name Jean Grae for MADD long and still have never heard anything of hers...and if so many people know she iLL, why don't they put her on their album or something?...I don't get how people know about folks and big their skills up so hard but if she had a CD coming out how many of ya'll would actually go buy it?...prolly not many at all...and she doesn't have that "sex appeal" where she talkin about dick then muh FUCKas aren't gonna wanna hear it...people don't wanna hear lyrics, they want a pretty face, boobs and ass hanging out, saying complete garbage...not a female lyricist...

at least that's how I precieve things to be from the current state of females in the rap industry at the moment...

P.S. Lil' Kim is by no means great, and I really can't stand her ass, but I gotta admit that she's at least good at what she does...



Because "ill" is relative. Canibus is "ill", but you think he'd ever be on a song with Casidy? Hell no. They're different tpes of "ill". Same with JG. In the underground, she's a powerhouse and still one of the biggest names out. If she had an album ocming out, would I buy it? Nope. Not because I don't like JG. But because I like her in small doses. That's my personal prefference - you may like her in larger doses and buy her albums. But she does have sex appeal - even if it's not in her content. But her voice alone is feminine (unlike Rah Digga, Foxy Brown (at times) Lil Kim, Queen Pin, etc etc etc etc) and she has that fragility in her that makes mals wanna reach out and listen to her or feel protective of her. she's still within the bounds of 'the formula' althoguh I'm sure as hell it's not intentional. And she sings. So yes, she does infact have sex appeal - WITHOUT talking about dicks. So apparantly people do want to hear a female lyricist. I'm living proof.

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no dats not true males get more playtime den females unless they're singin n Jean Grae neva heard nethang of her's on the radio i had to download her stuff jus to hear it



What's not true? I said JG gets more spins on UNDERGROUND radio than 50ยข gets on MAINSTREAM radio. I could put on one of a few stations right now and I'd bet she'd be coming on in the next 1/2 hr easily.

It's a shame LV and BQ that me, the male knew about and heard JG before both of yall....Shame on yall..
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Old 07-28-05, 02:02 PM   #11
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Jean Grae's music is in pretty much every record store in chicago/hyde park... i know NY got their stores full of JG CD's and records.. L.V. Jean Grea is on other people's albums, Talib Kweli had her on his album.. She does collabs with Immortal Technique and others.

Her album the Attack of the Attacking Things and This Week is on shelves in the Chi.. she's good. And the reason you don't hear her on the radio is because she's underground.

But to answer your question, Mizz Fyre.

Females get more respect if they beat a guy of a high status (or simply out-do a guy lyrically).
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Old 07-30-05, 11:16 AM   #12
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shit, I don't listen to anything underground, all the heads people talk about like Papoose, JR Writer, Immortal Technique, Cannibus...all I know is their names, unless you get played on the radio I've never heard ya shit...and that's cuz I'm broke and I don't buy CDs and I have dial up so I'm not gonna take all the years it takes to DL shit...like I keep telling people, if you feel I should expand my Hip Hop listening, I'll give you my address and you can burn whatever you want me to hear on CDs and I will listen to everything on 'em...
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Old 07-30-05, 01:37 PM   #13
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shit, I don't listen to anything underground, all the heads people talk about like Papoose, JR Writer, Immortal Technique, Cannibus...all I know is their names, unless you get played on the radio I've never heard ya shit...and that's cuz I'm broke and I don't buy CDs and I have dial up so I'm not gonna take all the years it takes to DL shit...like I keep telling people, if you feel I should expand my Hip Hop listening, I'll give you my address and you can burn whatever you want me to hear on CDs and I will listen to everything on 'em...



That's ironic because not a single one of the artists you just named are "underground" except I.T. but that's a prety ignorant outlook - if someone things you should expand your horizions, they gotta do the work for you. Pfftt, how many CD's you got in the mail so far princess? Get off your lazy ass and do it your self.
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Old 07-31-05, 02:30 AM   #14
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read, lol...I have dial up so I don't DL stuff and I don't got money to blow on CDs, or anything else for that matter so I'll continue being in the dark, lol...

and if you don't consider them people underground then what are they?...they're known but by no means are the "above" ground...I never heard the name Papoose before like 2 months aGo, if even that...
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