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Old 09-19-05, 10:47 AM   #1
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that's not true...I've written a poem and re-worked it into a song and gotten great feedback from it...rap and poetry are NOT one in the same, but some people can make them stand side-by-side together, it's MY belief that the peson to do this best was Tupac...some people refer to him as a "thug poet" and I believe that's true...to me, poetry is something that conveys images through words and causes you to "feel" through those words whether stated aloud or in written expression...

like I said, the 2 are not the same, but they CAN coincide...a person can have a poetic rap style...50Cent and other rappers as himself rap in a more "straight forward" approach but others that use more metaphors and imagery rather than being boastful, seem (to me) to be poetic with their wording...an example of this would be someone like Talib Kweli...

and it's not about underground or mainstream, it just so happens to be that the mainstream is less opposed to the straight forward approach because it sells better and people that don't listen to rap will understand it better than a person that truely appreciates the actual wording of a Talib Kweli, rather than the hard beats a 50Cent rap on with a braggadocious swagger...

it's all about preference, but like I said, the 2 can be related...

Pac still wrote poetry, then wrote rap tracks with the same meanings to suit what he was talking about in his poetry. Your right, it can be done to good effect, I was probably a bit harsh on that front.. But rap is still not poetry..

And there are a lot more styles than just commercial 50 cent music and deep poetrical meaning songs..... When I say rapping with straight up language.. I actually didnt have 50 cent on my mind... heh.. I actually had eminem, dre, eazy e, tupac, Louis Logic and rappers of that calibur..

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Old 09-19-05, 11:44 AM   #2
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I say Rap is a Form of poetry....Just like R&B songs are....Its A way to express yurself through verse....Yu cant say that because the artist isnt rhyming deep or wahtever, taht it isnt poetry....There is no ONE WAY to write a poem.... Therefore, Yu cannot say sumone isnt writting it "properly".....unless its completely off....like yu writing a novel or sum shit like taht

It has nothing to do with wehn Rap was born .vs. when Poetry was born....Becuase its true Literature was born well before, Yet poetry is a form of it....



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Poetry when done correctly, is not something that is designed to be implemented into rap or music for that matter.


^incorrect sweety

POETRY(only a few definitions of it..to counter taht statement)
-Prose that resembles a poem in some respect, as in form or sound.
-A quality that suggests poetry, as in grace, beauty, or harmony: the poetry of the dancer's movements

poetry it can be abstract as aswell


Bottom line is:...POETRY DOES NOT HAVE A CONCRETE SET OF GUIDELINES....and RAP DOES fall into a catagory of Poetry....its a genre of it...despite the content...cuz i've read deep/on the surface poems...
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Old 09-19-05, 11:04 AM   #3
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YES!! I have influenced a young mind, wOoOoOo!! lol
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LV - real talk as usual..dope shit
you're like the best story teller over a beat

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my whole album is inspired by you LV.
thats how i got this classic album.
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Old 09-19-05, 11:08 AM   #4
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Influenced me?

How old are you btw?
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Old 09-19-05, 11:10 AM   #5
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A good poem helps to change the shape and significance of the universe,
helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world around him.”

-Dylan Thomas

^ Isn't that the guy that spits hot fiya?
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Old 09-19-05, 11:14 AM   #6
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I'm 22 (almost 23) years old Nos...
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LV - real talk as usual..dope shit
you're like the best story teller over a beat

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my whole album is inspired by you LV.
thats how i got this classic album.
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Old 09-19-05, 11:14 AM   #7
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Oye... Im 19...*shrugs*
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Old 09-19-05, 12:41 PM   #8
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Well shit, guess what everyone..

According to arktic frost.
Fictional books are poems... Conversation transcripts are poems... Movie scripts are poems... The bible is a poem... The Quran is a poem... My msn name is a poem... My rap name is a poem... This button under my post saying "Post quick reply" is a poem..

Where does it end? Poetry must have guidelines to define the nature of poetry itself. The definitions you gave imply this clear as day and prove my point. I have said poetry can be used as a form of rap, however in no way does rap fall into a catagory of 'poetry', that is obsurd..

Look at lyrics that brag and mess around.. As quoted in part of my other thread some of my rap lyrics that have no relation to poetry at all:

I'm a metaphorical erasor, slash you with a razor.
Till a warm gash of blood grubs the face of.
Some gay cunts; & thats the case study done.
So fucking run; I got another gun thats my other lung.
You bloody nuns; I'll give the crowd what they came for.
Pick a straight whore; rip her brains raw with a chain saw.
Still remain all; ruthless to leave ya crew toothless.
Like two kids; acting stupid in a booth with.
The illest rappers around; quick damage ya town.
With hammers that pound an activist down.
You cat'll be ground, by my rhyme morter and pestle.
On-board with the best crew, dopium all gonna test you.
And yeah;
I'm at it again; back like an addict with pens.
Smackng ya friends; with these raps that offend.

When you try and explain to me how this rap fits into the catagory of poetry. I will give you a cookie........

My point remains true to what I've been saying this whole way through..

Poetry can be used as rap to a certain extent, but acting like rap is a form of poetry is naieve as hell..

Oh hey, by the way "As in form or sound" Is refering to being vocally spoken. Not instrument/s playing with a drum beat...
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Old 09-19-05, 12:45 PM   #9
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According to arktic frost.
Fictional books are poems... Conversation transcripts are poems... Movie scripts are poems... The bible is a poem... The Quran is a poem... My msn name is a poem... My rap name is a poem... This button under my post saying "Post quick reply" is a poem..


^i never said that yu fuckin idiot...READ MY STATEMENT CAREFULLY

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Therefore, Yu cannot say sumone isnt writting it "properly".....unless its completely off....like yu writing a novel or sum shit like taht


-see taht is exactly why people like yu shouldnt comment on topics taht require thought...
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Old 09-19-05, 12:48 PM   #10
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^i never said that yu fuckin idiot...READ MY STATEMENT CAREFULLY

I read your post exactly how you wrote it.

If you meant something else than what I replied to. Word it better "yu fukin idiot..."

You said poetry is an expression and has no guidelines..
The button under my post is expressing to me that I can use it to post a reply... My name is expressing metaphorically my interest for the future, a conversation transcript is expressing the feelings of speaking participants, the bible... ha, you tell me what thats expressing..

I think you know exactly where I'm comming from..
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Old 09-19-05, 12:47 PM   #11
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A good poem helps to change the shape and significance of the universe,
helps to extend everyone's knowledge of himself and the world around him.”

-Dylan Thomas

When I think of this philosopher's remarks about poetry, something like a treatise on aesthetics comes to mind. At a minimum,I expect a rigorous examination of the characteristics that define “poetry”,the differences between kinds of poetry (epic, tragic, lyric, comic, and so forth). The senses in which poetry is and is not bound to representation, imitation, expression ,all possible connotations of the classical Greek word “mimesis” , as well as fiction. These complicated terms themselves require careful definition. Equally penetrating and systematic remarks about the small differences between poetry and other art forms, especially rap music, would be in order, as would reflection on the relation between orally delivered poetry , and poetry communicated through the written word.


Is it just me or was that effin hard as hell to understand? but yeah.. rap for sure is poetry..
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Old 09-19-05, 12:55 PM   #12
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Oh hey, by the way "As in form or sound" Is refering to being vocally spoken. Not instrument/s playing with a drum beat...


^vokally spoken?....is that NOT waht RAP IS???....



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Poetry can be used as rap to a certain extent, but acting like rap is a form of poetry is naieve as hell..



^how is it naive??....its a fuckin genre of poetry.....Just like...yu got different genres of literature....
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oh and nos.. poetry is also sed on drum beats.. Last Poets.. looked them up
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Old 09-19-05, 12:50 PM   #14
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oh and nos.. poetry is also sed on drum beats.. Last Poets.. looked them up

But the poetry itself isnt in the drum beats dude...

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Old 09-19-05, 12:52 PM   #15
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lol... yeah but its sed over a drum beat hahaha... ahh w/e.. i dont care if poetry isnt rap or is rap.. i still luv rap.. woo hoo IM COOL!
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