Wanting to commit suicide does not mean you are a weak person. I know someone who has been through several attempts and to actually go through with it, you cannot be weak. Imagine you're sitting there with razor blade or overdose pills or whatever but you still have to take that final step. I don't think I could do it, I'm too much of a coward to try to kill myself. You have to realize the state of mind they are in at that exact point, they have the choice between to live or to die. They can end their life right there, a weak person wouldn't come that far. A weak person would just hide, run away from problems and sink even deeper. But someone who wants to commit suicide decides for himself he doesn't want to live this life anymore and that he doesn't want to run anymore but just end it all...that's not weak in my eyes...

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yea, it's not weak it's stupid.

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ive had 3 people in my life commit suicide, 1 of them was extremely close to me(not goin to explain exactly how close cos that shit is jus too deep)... people get in that suicidal state of mind because things get hard, they cant cope with what life is throwing at them, they quite simply are not strong enough to fight through it and go on, so they look for the quick and easy way out of it, n the only way is death... example, the person i talked about previously took her life cos her brother was killed in a car crash, now that kid was like family to me, plus i was having family troubles aswell as bein in trouble with sum bad people, and at the time we just found out my grandad was slowly dieing, n then she commited suicide cos she cudnt live without her brother..... now thats enough shit to drive people to suicide in a split second, i could have let it drag me down, n get suicidal, instead i didnt, i stayed strong, i continued to fight through the hard times and here i am happier than ever. i never even concidered suicide, all i ever thought was, im goin to get through it.

suicidal people have been proven to be self centered because they feel takin their own life isnt going to effect anybody else around them.

the fact that when times get rough, and u want a quick way out of it instead of fighting through it, makes you weak... plain n simple

I can understand why you think it's so stupid.

I am really sorry to hear about that man...

But think about it...I overcame it.

You should be happy about it, if you like me or not, because another person didnt die the same way as your friends did.

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dont get me wrong, i am glad to hear that sumbody never actually went through with it, but even when sum1 conciders it, it makes me pissed off with them cos i flat out cant stand when people are that weak n want an easy way out of it.

and i know that sounds terrible saying things like that about ppl who commit suicide when ive lost people that way, but i know, they will know im not dis-respecting them, and they will know what they actually meant/mean to me, and i know they will also agree with what i say and will most likely regret it.

I agree with this completely.

That's why I didn't do it.

I've lossed alot of people through suicide as well...almost another person more recently.

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So wanting to be with a loved one is weak? Loving someone so much that you do not want to live without them is weak?

I don't feel the same way but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm not even gonna get into this anymore because...personal shit you know...

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just because a loved one is dead, does not mean they dont live on, they live on in ur memories and ur heart.... and she was with a loved one, infact she still lived her life with countless loved ones, yes it was hard for her when her brother died, and EVERYBODY tried to be there for her, but she was weak, she even told me she was weak and couldnt get through it... and what u have to remember is, ur loved one is dead, but they still live on, and do u think they will rest in peace knowing u took ur own life cos of their death???

and yes there is allways sum1 who cares about you, especially at LE's age..... cos im guessin he was/still is in school.... there will be kids in ur school that like u, sum that may even have feelings for you, teachers beleive it or not grow emotionally attatched to the kids they teach in a kinda family sense, because they play a big part in rasing the children and spend so much time with them they get to know them all extremely well... there are allways neighbours that will care about you.... and even the people that maybe didnt care about you, or maybe even bullied you(if u had anybody like that) would be effected and ud be surprised how many "bullies" go into depression and sumtimes go insane n need mental help because sum1 has committed suicide they used to bully..... it might not be their fault, but they are the ones who feel guilty.

You can't put your arms around memories can you?

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lol .

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committing suicide is weak DQ.... plain and simple.... cuz it would be harder to fight thru all the shit in ur life, rather than take some pills.....

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...The real Renegade before Hova...

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

your going through hard times, no matter who you are, you want them to end and stop hurting you.... you can take the easy way out or take the hard road through

easy way out = death.. the hard road = struggling through the times..... and knowing that u cant cope with whats happening, and its going to get harder before it gets easier and will take alot longer than if u try killing urself, is 99% of the time going to drive u to do go through with killing urself.

Who the fuck are we to judge what people do?

It's THEIR life, it's THEIR choice...

Yes it's self-centered, yes you're only thinking about yourself then (unless you see it as: i don't want to be burden for them anymore) but it's your life isn't it...they don't have to live it, they don't have to be you...so why should they have the right to judge you for what you do?

So the whole discussion about whether it is weak or stupid or not doesn't mean shit in the end

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But if you have been through that situation you must understand that people do not choose to keep on living and just want to be dead too...

(sorry about that btw)

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but why???

that person might be dead, but u can play a big part in making them live on, memories and what they meant to you and the fact the love you had for them will allways be deep within u means, despite them being dead, they still live on.... people choose not to live on through the shit, because they are not strong enough to cope with it.. if they were strong enough, they wouldnt need to take their own life