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Old 12-13-05, 07:46 AM   #16
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Haters shut the fuck up..

Stop being bitches wingeing about the people he killed 30 years ago and ask yourself do two wrongs make a right?

This was a rehabilitated old man that has paid his dues and saught to better a large portion of his society. More than you will probably ever achieve in your pityful existances.. And you have the nerve to say he deserved to die.
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Old 12-13-05, 09:01 AM   #17
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Haters shut the fuck up..

Stop being bitches wingeing about the people he killed 30 years ago and ask yourself do two wrongs make a right?

This was a rehabilitated old man that has paid his dues and saught to better a large portion of his society. More than you will probably ever achieve in your pityful existances.. And you have the nerve to say he deserved to die.


he killed 4 people...so what he reformed himself...that's a good thing...but the fact is he murdered people...

shit when you've been given a "sell by date" for the shit you'd done...you'd reform yourself too...

he accepted what he did and bettered himself from the experiences he's witnessed...but this debate is like a rapist about to get castrated and then starting his own campaigns against rape...

or a convicted paedophile starting his own rally's against child abuse...

but you wouldn't give them a 2nd look...

it's coz Tookie WAS gangsta that you people wanted a different outcome...

but i do believe though in his defence...that if he gets death penalty for 4 deaths, people who killed more and are only serving life sentences should get the same as what Tookie did...it's only fair
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Old 12-13-05, 09:20 AM   #18
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he killed 4 people...so what he reformed himself...that's a good thing...but the fact is he murdered people...

shit when you've been given a "sell by date" for the shit you'd done...you'd reform yourself too...

he accepted what he did and bettered himself from the experiences he's witnessed...but this debate is like a rapist about to get castrated and then starting his own campaigns against rape...

or a convicted paedophile starting his own rally's against child abuse...

but you wouldn't give them a 2nd look...

it's coz Tookie WAS gangsta that you people wanted a different outcome...

but i do believe though in his defence...that if he gets death penalty for 4 deaths, people who killed more and are only serving life sentences should get the same as what Tookie did...it's only fair

thats sooo fucking true tho!
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Old 12-13-05, 09:26 AM   #19
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he killed 4 people...so what he reformed himself...that's a good thing...but the fact is he murdered people...

shit when you've been given a "sell by date" for the shit you'd done...you'd reform yourself too...

he accepted what he did and bettered himself from the experiences he's witnessed...but this debate is like a rapist about to get castrated and then starting his own campaigns against rape...

or a convicted paedophile starting his own rally's against child abuse...

but you wouldn't give them a 2nd look...

it's coz Tookie WAS gangsta that you people wanted a different outcome...

but i do believe though in his defence...that if he gets death penalty for 4 deaths, people who killed more and are only serving life sentences should get the same as what Tookie did...it's only fair

There's all kind of debate still going on about whether he really did commit those murders or not though, its a well known fact that he created the Crips, but that's not what he was on trial for and we can't just assume that means he's guilty... people (educated people on this topic) think that the cops set him up for those murders through the gang so they could catch the leader of the Crips... he was still pleading innocent on the day that he died... AND, the trial he was given was automatically thrown by an all-white, un-fair jury... there are issues of racism getting involved because out of 100 jury members involved in the case there were 3 or 4, and all of those got released by the judge....
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There's all kind of debate still going on about whether he really did commit those murders or not though, its a well known fact that he created the Crips, but that's not what he was on trial for and we can't just assume that means he's guilty... people (educated people on this topic) think that the cops set him up for those murders through the gang so they could catch the leader of the Crips... he was still pleading innocent on the day that he died... AND, the trial he was given was automatically thrown by an all-white, un-fair jury... there are issues of racism getting involved because out of 100 jury members involved in the case there were 3 or 4, and all of those got released by the judge....


look...we can go into detail about conspiracy theories, racism on the jury and what not...but i'm speaking from the view on the look he was a convicted killer...

people make up conspiracies all the time...JFK was killed by 2 people killing shot was grassy knolls

Elvis is alive...2Pacs alive...

Aliens crashed into Earth in Roswell...

fact is it's innocent until proven guilty...when he co-formed the crips...his people killed people...Hitler never killed anyone...but his people were commanded by him...he was the one pushing the buttons...jus like Osama....jus like Saddam...jus like Tookie...
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Old 12-13-05, 09:42 AM   #22
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look...we can go into detail about conspiracy theories, racism on the jury and what not...but i'm speaking from the view on the look he was a convicted killer...

people make up conspiracies all the time...JFK was killed by 2 people killing shot was grassy knolls

Elvis is alive...2Pacs alive...

Aliens crashed into Earth in Roswell...

fact is it's innocent until proven guilty...when he co-formed the crips...his people killed people...Hitler never killed anyone...but his people were commanded by him...he was the one pushing the buttons...jus like Osama....jus like Saddam...jus like Tookie...

but the thing is, thats what the debate is really, whether or not he was guilty... when he died, everybody in the execution room raised their hands and said "The State of California has murdered an innocent man."

and some law professional on the case, not his lawyer, stated that proof will show that Governor Schwartzenegar is a cold-blooded murderer, not Tookie Williams
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but the thing is, thats what the debate is really, whether or not he was guilty... when he died, everybody in the execution room raised their hands and said "The State of California has murdered an innocent man."

and some law professional on the case, not his lawyer, stated that proof will show that Governor Schwartzenegar is a cold-blooded murderer, not Tookie Williams


1st it's not Schwarzenegger that convicts killers...that's judges...and jurours...besides...Tookie's lucky enough to see 25 years on death row...he's had countless court battles...he really is lucky they let it span out this long...he was put on death row long before Arnold was Governor...

2nd...i can see what you say honestly i can...but a jury's job is to look at the evidence before them and rule out anything that is considered a liability i.e no proof...there's no concrete proof of a cover up...only speculation...Tookie pleaded innocent...how many proven killers plead innocent...a lot...he's no different...i didn't know that a jury nowadays had to consist of 50% one race & 50% another..if it does then ok...but this was the 70's-80's people had woken up more to racism than in the MLK days...(don't take that last comment to heart it's jus what i feel)

you can't convict someone on he says she says...if people screamed conspiracy...and had the evidence to back it up...we might not even be talking about this...but FACT is...there's nothing concrete...so all we can do is move on from this...what's done is done...
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Whoever said that shit about Arnie bein a killer stole that little ''theory'' from a song....can't remember who the artist is but the line goes ''schwarzenegger killin in the movies'' or some shit


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Whoever said that shit about Arnie bein a killer stole that little ''theory'' from a song....can't remember who the artist is but the line goes ''schwarzenegger killin in the movies'' or some shit


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Word, thats the shit, son! ^^^

Dunno what you mean by help tho lol.
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Word, thats the shit, son! ^^^

Dunno what you mean by help tho lol.


lol na i meant the quote help?...and it did
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1st it's not Schwarzenegger that convicts killers...that's judges...and jurours...besides...Tookie's lucky enough to see 25 years on death row...he's had countless court battles...he really is lucky they let it span out this long...he was put on death row long before Arnold was Governor...

2nd...i can see what you say honestly i can...but a jury's job is to look at the evidence before them and rule out anything that is considered a liability i.e no proof...there's no concrete proof of a cover up...only speculation...Tookie pleaded innocent...how many proven killers plead innocent...a lot...he's no different...i didn't know that a jury nowadays had to consist of 50% one race & 50% another..if it does then ok...but this was the 70's-80's people had woken up more to racism than in the MLK days...(don't take that last comment to heart it's jus what i feel)

you can't convict someone on he says she says...if people screamed conspiracy...and had the evidence to back it up...we might not even be talking about this...but FACT is...there's nothing concrete...so all we can do is move on from this...what's done is done...

nah, Arnie passed it the final time
AND, he's in control of California state laws, including the death penalty... and i'm against the death penalty all together, so no matter what its all still fucked

im sorry, but no matter what u say, that doesnt mean u kill him
thats like saying what he did is right, b/c thats just what ur doin to him...
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nah, Arnie passed it the final time
AND, he's in control of California state laws, including the death penalty... and i'm against the death penalty all together, so no matter what its all still fucked

im sorry, but no matter what u say, that doesnt mean u kill him
thats like saying what he did is right, b/c thats just what ur doin to him...


i love the capital punishment debate it's such a decent dicussion...ye i know your stance...thing is though i'm all for an eye for an eye...thing is it's got to a point now where a parent can't even smack their own child without facing assault charges/social services on your ass...

we need to stamp the fuck down on crime...capital punishment IMO installs that tiny bit more fear into the mind of someone wanting to carry out a crime worthy of the death penalty...

bring back public hanging too...why the hell not...
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lol na i meant the quote help?...and it did

Aiiight, I got you

thanks for the quote in that case, homeboy.
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