I'm not gonna stay on this because it's off topic. This thread is about blaming god for the "bad things" in our lives. I don't see what homosexuality has to do with anything. BUt, no it's not the same as lust. When a man sees something that sexually arouses him, the physiology of his actual erection is beyond his control. Because we are rational beings (or at least we like to think so) we can mentally force ourselves to think about other things. However, the biology of my body is mostly beyond my control. You could put a heat pack on my penis and it'll get hard. That has nothing to do with lust. It's all biological. That's what I'm talking about. And, no, "churches" don't make a big deal about homosexuality. Some homophobic preachers do. For the most part, it's actually avoided. There is a big contigent of people who deal with homosexuality. But, it's taboo to address outside of the usual, "God says it's an abomination." Meanwhile, those who struggle with it continue to struggle with it because people aren't willing to be mature and discuss the issues.

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If you credit god for the good things in your life, why not also credit him for the bad ones? Like plagues, slavery, AIDS, and so on? In your bible it states God (supposedly) caused a flood that killed everybody short of 8 people, he burned cities, turned people to pillars of salt, created disease, famine, war, and death as his personal horsemen, took the first born son of every family in egypt, even let his own son get persecuted, tortured, and murdered.

So if you get beaten within an inch of your life or fall ill, that's not "God"?

Sounds like the same "God" to me.

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And with that homosexuality shit, god wouldnt have you be "born" with something that'll get you to hell. Just like Lk said a murderer could say the same thing. Everything is conditioned in you from life and can be reversed. When I was a kid I used to be attracted to titties more than normal. Now that I've seen alot of them I dont get all jumpy when they come out. If it was horomones that I was born with to like them then surely it would still be with me right now. I dunno if I'm making sense, but eh..

Ummm...I don't know what your sexuality is. And, neither does anyone on this board. If you are str8, then I imagine you still are attracted to females. You don't have to "convince" your penis to get hard when you are in sexual situations. It just happens. It's no different with someone who is gay. Gay people aren't being "rebellious" and "forcing" themselves to be attracted to the same sex. That's laughable. Anyone who purports that is an idiot.

OH...And Apexx...you had better believe that plagues could be caused by God. Look at the examples I gave. I said people who specifically cause their own ills need to stop blaming God for them. If I sleep around with 100 dudes unprotected, and develop AIDS, can I really blame God for that? NO.

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1: what if you sleep around with NO dudes and infact were BORN with aids, who do you find accountable for that? "God made me this way" is what every religious zealot says about their life their appearance and their body. So if you're born with AIDS, you wouldn't proclaim "God made me this way!" all the same? What's the difference??

2: Add to that, lets say joe schmoe is walking down the street and gets obliterated by a car, one could say the driver and car are at fault. On the other hand, someone else would say it's joes fault for not being more observant. At the rate you're going, when good cars obliterate you, you say god did it and call it blessings. when bad cars obliterate you, you say it was your own doing and not gods.

Again, what is the difference? I'd like an answer to these two questions.

I also didn't see relevace in your response to this:

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Oh, and for the record, ALL good things come from God.

To the person who said I'm living a "fairy tale," you're ignorant of what the scripture says. I am not making that up. I'm referencing what's clearly stated through scripture. Now, if you don't believe that, don't believe it. But, don't suggest I'm making it up because I'm not. You're just ignorant of what the bible says about it.

And, I don't know why you all are attacking me on this homosexuality issue. I didn't bring it up. NO where did I say "God made me gay." Nowhere did I say, "I was born gay." I said my sexuality is controlled by factors that are MOSTLY beyond my control. Let's stay on topic please.

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Thank you. You just said the magic word. You don't BELIEVE IT. So, stop trying to shit on my beliefs simply because I stated them. Thank you. Just because I believe what I believe doesn't make me in a fairy tale.

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Well I think of the world and destiny like dominos. God pushed the 1st domino and shit happened from there. And what is "good" is all oppinion. If we were in the superbowl and I won, you would say "oh this is terrible" while I'm going "OH THANK YOU GOD". Or if someone was about to shoot me and right before he did he had a heart attack. I would say "OH THANK YOU GOD FOR SAVING ME", but meanwhile the killers family would say "oh my god satan killed my baby" and so on.

Don't get "cute" on the "good" is relative B.S. bro. I can guarantee you that your life isn't that difficult. There are people who starve to death in parts of the world. You are sitting here on the i-net, probably fully clothed, living a decent life. Those things are "good". You don't stop to think do you? It doesn't have to be that way. Keep living and you'll see things a little differently because right now, you're taking things for granted it seems.

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Lmao you're really stupid. I'm not even gonna try to be all politcally correct, you're stupid. Again there are people who PURPOUSLY starve themselves. And if the existance of something worse means it's not bad, then NOTHING IS bad. Including murder, rape, stealing, devil worshipping, racism, and homophobia. Because while you're complaining about that... people are starving.

What am I complaining about in this thread? Tell me...Because apparently, the topic of this thread goes over your heads. WHat you're talkin about has ZELCH to do with the topic of this thread. And, I didn't bring it up. So, again, enlighten me. What am I complaining about?

Also, the philosophical mumbo jumbo about the good/bad is exactly my point. But, there is a difference between not having "what you want" and not having "anything at all." If someone doesn't have the means to live, that isn't RELATIVELY worse than not having STEAK for dinner. Bro, look someone who's starving in the face and tell them their pain is "imagined."


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Again, the point just can't hit you. But since you mentioned it, you're complaining about blaiming god for bad things. Cause omgz while you're complaining about people blaiming things on god people are starving!