This is exactly what I am saying though.

Racism does exit, very much so..and i've explained that, i have a great idea of it...and the problems it causes..Growng up in georgia, having family in mississippi , i know all about it. I've never once said "so".

what I'm saying is, i don't agree with every wrong thing done to be a minority, to call it a racist act. People are assholes to people, and sometimes it is strictly because of race, or creed..or whatever

all I'm saying is a lot of the times....it isn't....it's just because people are assholes....and maybe thats a sign of acceptance...because there not going out of their way, to make someone feel embraced, or more comfortable...there treating them like like they would treat anyone else on a bad day.

That's it....racism definately is popular..just not as popular as a lot of people think.

also, anyone who denies another man's claims, is a fool.
But at the same time, without proof of something being meant in the wrong way, you could be a fool to assume it's racist.

Trust me, I'm open to disccussion...but i've disccussed this with many people(more black than white) and they rarely ever have any kind of proof that what I'm saying isn't true, and eventually....come to the conclusion that I'm right.

Like for example, if someone calls you a nigger. That is proof to racism.

If someone doesn't sit you down and put your shoes on for you at footlocker
That isn't. Theres a lot of things that happen to me where i say "are you kididng me? what horrible service" or..."why is that person getting treated better than me"

where is i see and hear of minorities...using there difference in ethnicity as an excuse for someone elses behavior...when yet the same shit happens to me........and YES....a lot of the times it could be because of your race, but like i said..a lot of the times it isn't.
People are just assholes, and there really is no excuse for there behavior and actons half the time.

Thats all I'm saying

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Well you can't take some examples of people taking it too far and dismissing the issue completly. I mean you said black people make fun of how white people talk and that its just because you do that to get a job. White people mock black ppl 24/7 on how we talk. And we don't mock people talking normally we usually mock ppl going "dude cowabunga" and I dont even think white people say that anymore. I sware this is the age of white people finally freeing themselves from the slavery on minorities or some shit. Black people dont call shit racist as much as you think. I keep telling people ALL THE TIME that shit is just TV. Most black people in black hoods have already excepted being a lower class citizen, the people who arent are usually activists and are called "racist", because oh if a white person did it then they're racist right? So nobody can say anything correct?

Oh no, i completely agree with you. I'm not dissmissing the issue completely. Because it is a huge issue, like i said...just not as big as what it is made out to be sometimes.

and as far as mocking people. I see it a lot. What makes comedy funny is, the fact that it's true...or completely absurd. And our mannerisms we use to be employed, have often been a punchline for many comedians....and has been accepted among a lot of people. Now, maybe thats an Oregon thing. Because when I did live in atlanta i didn't really think about things the same way as I do now...but in my experience...the black people here, definately accept that acting proffesional is acting white, and is funny. And here, black call things racist all the time. I've been on the other end of it many times. Luckily I'm great at explaining myself, and have been able to explain to most people how the things I say arn't racist, however....once again, maybe it's an oregon thing.
I grew up in atlanta, recognizing racism, and accepting everything that was claimed to be racism, as racism. I moved to oregon, and as my mind expanded and shit was easier to understand, i noticed my views changing on how things really are. However, that could be coincidentally due to the fact that shit is different over here, and that should somehow apply to the rest of america. Either way though, my point is still true. Because regardless if it doesn't apply to the rest of the world, a part is in fact relevant.


and I think if a black activist is called racist...it's a mixture of 80% ignorance...and 20% the means they try and express there activism. Not every activist is enlightened to the idea of reality, and what it means to be black in a white country....They CAN be just as ignorant as anyone else. And like you said, a lot of the black community accepts being considered lower class in the black ghetto....so the few who don't accept it, are either correct, and are doing the right thing for the right reasons. Or they notice there is something wrong, but handle it differently than it should be handled....speaking out, not lying down, and building people up is an example of positive activism...putting people down without trying to enlighten them, or help them understand when obviously they need it, and foccusing mostly on that isn't very positive to anyones race.

I think the problem is, just like mainstream rap..it's simple for a reason. People don't want to think, they just want to accept shit. Which is why it's easier to point the finger at someone, instead of trying to help them see shit the way it should be seen.

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i have nothing to say except that nobody can or should try and judge someone's experience since just seeing someshit happenin is farrrr more different than actually experiencing it all...oh n y'd u change ur name from thoth? i thought i was the only person who gave a fuck about egyptian mythology

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Nah, i'm really into egyptian mythology....i read a lot of saul williams and he makes a lot of refferences to egyptian mythology

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word to horus....i need to get back on that cuz for a while i went over to greek mythology, but egyptian mythology much more interesting to me...thx for gettin back into it..word

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Deph, just stop. They will NEVER agree.

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I haven't seen the show, but I saw clips from it on Oprah. There was still tension between the two families. I was floored when the white mother said, "I thought black people called each other bitches." ???????? ummm...NO.

Then, the white father was about to go to church in a disheke (however you spell it). lol...ummm...NO.

White people who say ignorant things like the mother aren't racist, they just don't know any better. I went to school in Amish country. They rarely see black people out there. I chose to go to that school to give me a different perspective, being as though I live in a predominantly black area. There were a couple times when some of those white folk came out their mouths with jaw-droppingly dumb statements. But, most of the few blacks I went to school with were magnanimous enough to educate them without making them feel dumb.

I went to school with people who didn't know what extensions were. My friend Kamika had short hair on one day, but then had extensions the next day. So, this white chick was like, "OMG, how did your hair grow so fast?"

LOL...embarrassing...Then, when Kamika explained that she had extensions, the white chick wanted to feel all over her head...

lol

Kamika...I loved her...haaaa

Now, that's someone you don't want to get in an argument with. She = phew



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no no no no.....YOU won't agree...or understand...

I've intentionally made this thread, with an open mind. So far, no one has told me anytyhing i didn't already know....Or something I didn't already agree with....

Being black, there is no way for you to know, that something that may be considered racist, is misunderstood...or misconstrued...(i never once said, or implied, or believed..this was refferring to everything that you go through, just a part of it)

Being white, there is no way for me, to understand, or know exactly what it is you go through on a day to day basis.
How the fuck ever, being white, there is a very easy way for me to know....shit is misconstrued all the time as being racist, when really it's not.
How do I know? Because it's happened to me, and for you to dismiss that it's happened to me....is just as ignorant as you see me, as thinking I'm dissmissing all the racism you claim to recieve...especially when I'm not claiming racism doesn't exist, i'm not claiming you don't see racism every day....I'm claiming racism isn't as strong, as a lot of people think....that point of view is not a matter of being black, or being white, and to feel that it is...is ignorant in itself...extremely ignorant, and hypocritical....


all I'm saying is, racisim isn't as popular, as a lot of people think....I've proved that, easily...if you disagree, it's holding yourself hostage in a world that doesn't exist like you think it does. This is a world where racism DOES exist, and it IS strong....but the only time progression can happen, is when realization occurs, and people stop holding themselves back.

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I'm seriously not going to waste the time to read your post. Just stfu.

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Yeah, i don't blame you...continue to do what you do...
not my problem...at all

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