Bible Codes exist. We know that. What they mean can be debated until the cows come home. But, from research done by scholars, scientists, and mathematicians, hundreds of messages--some of which include modern issues--have arisen from the depths of the bible using ELS. The odds of these messages randomly appearing through chance are a virtual mathematic impossibility. The people who authored the OlD Testament could never embedd hidden codes in this manner because to do so would mean overcoming a mathematical impossibility. They'd have to author accounts that are often verified in other books of the bible, then, beneath that text, encode hidden messages that make sense, and are prophetic in NATURE!

ElS has uncovered prophesies in the bible that predicted 9/11, Sadam Hussein, Iraq war, the mooon landing, and even the election of George Bush.

There's no way someone 3000 years ago would know about WW2 or the gas hitler would use to kill Jews.

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Wow! this shit's gettin' confusing....................

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Well, Bible Codes have been proven by mathematicians and scholars and their work published in journals...Even before that, theologians have tinkered with the idea of there possibly being hidden messages in the Torah. They just lacked what we have now, COMPUTERS!

Here's one such published journal.

http://www.torahcodes.co.il/wrr1/wrr1.htm


P.S. Many atheists have since become believers through studying this process. God is good!

^^Enjoy...

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And for the record, no one "PROVED" anything as you keep trying to beat people over the head with. They found it. That's as misguided as you saying you PROVED that there are letters in my post, when all you did was find it.

And technically they didnt' even find it, a computer did.


Turn the output down on that bullshit cannon.

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Listen man..
You have some really messed up mis-conceptions towards my views of the bible.
And its not that I'm wrong with anything I say.

Its that your in way over your head... You talk on what you think you know. But in reality, nothing is certain. What your religion tells you is nothing more than metaphorical speculation. God has a plan for the world, because the world in itself works like that of a finly tuned machine of cause and effect.

Half the things you believe are just a fairy tale buffing up the story which has evolved from older belief's through the course of history..

The reason me and you are different lies in the way you stick with one mainstream religion and believe it whole heartedly, and I look at all religion as a larger picture of human nature in effect.

There is no true religion. And despite what you want to think.. You were not alive 2000 years ago.. So nothing you say about Jesus is 100% fact. It is simply what you are told by your religion.

This doesent discredit their information. It just means that dont take anything for granted as being certain. That is a human imperfection.

The bible to me is a historical document. That is how I see it. The Quran to me, is a historical document. Nothing more, nothing less..

I am not a critic in the way you say I am as I have commended the bible countless times for its great life philosophys and fabels.

And by the way.. Dont ever try and talk to me about great philosophers and scientists that believe in your religion.. Because you neglect the countless hundreds of great philosophers and scientists that compleatly reject your religions belief's and scriptures.. Which is a great deal more than what I personally am doing..

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The new testament talks about Jesus in the same idolsitic regard the old testament does? That's not that hard to do, seeing that the "Old Testament" came first and was read before the "The New Testament" came. No big mystery there.

and LMAO @" Quantum Physisyts studying anytihng in the bible when Quantum Physics has nothing to do with counting letters, since it's the study of space time, time travel, dimensions etc. LMAO "Macrobiologists studied it!" lmao, I think you're making that shit up.

But regardless, whats that prove about the bible seeing that the version you're relying on isn't even the origiinal language the "Bible" was written in? The original bible is in aramaic, not "The Kings English" where words like "ye" and "hath" exist, and when you're translating something that's not even publically available, you can plug in what ever you'd like and write it in what ever style you want. Who would ever know?

Cmon man, use your head. The phrases and names you're talking about are in English. The original bible contains zero english characters seeing that English wasn't even invented yet AND aramaic uses words and phrases that we don't even have in the English language. So how could any part of the original Bible have any of this in there?


So what was your point agian? Somebody who re-wrote the bible put their own stuff in? Great.

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**counts the amount of erroneous/incorrect statements in your post**

The bible was not written in ARAMAIC...The old testament was written in Hebrew. Aramaic was a mixed language, including elements of Hebrew. But, the Old testament only partly written in Aramic, MOSTLY in Hebrew.

#1...ELS is used on the original Hebrew text, not the english text.


#2...Early scholars that copied the original Torah believed so much that it was inspired by God, that they painstakingly duplicated it to ensure it the accuracy of the text. To date, experts agree that of all the times the bible has been transcribed, there are only 9 or so character alterations, not enough to deny the validity of HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS of encoded messages that have been found by theologians, scholars, mathematicians, and physicists.

#3...The Old testament contains hidden codes that ELS has uncovered that foreshadow the coming of Christ. Jesus fulfilled these prophesies.


#4...Quantum physicists and mathematicians are good with numbers. They, as well as Decoders from the N.S.A, have studied ELS and concluded it's real.


#5...The idea of ELS isn't new. Again, even Sir ISaac Newton studied ELS. But, he was not successful because he didn't have the convenience of super computers to run the sequences.

#6...Read what I said again. It's painfully obvious you didn't because everything I corrected about your comments, I stated in my original post.



eh ehh.

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Here's how you shoot your self in the foot Q.



The name you Cited "YITZAK RABIN" consists of english letters: Y-I-T-Z-A-K AND R-A-B-I AND N. NNNOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE of these characters exist in Hebrew, so how could it have spelled out ANYTHING in English which is a completely different language entirely with completely different characters. Especially when english wasn't even invented yet!!!

That's common sense man. Or sould I say not-so-common sense.



FALSE!! The bible you are reading has thousands of words that were never included in the original bible since they weren't part of the original langnage. Like "ye" "hath" "doth" and so many more since A: they didn't exist at the time and B: exist only in a completely different language. Aramaic has words and phrases that don't even exist in the english language, so direct translation would be IMPOSSIBLE. Why do I feel like I'm repeating my self? Oh yeah..I am.



This is nice, but once again proves absolutely jack shit for the reasons already listed above. "Proving that ELS is real" is no harder than proving that the words in this post are real<--------coulda swore I already said that whne I first posted here. All you have to do is simply look at it. What you're not looking at is the source of ELS which is from translators completely irrelevant to the original writings.


Try again.

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The names in Hebrew discovered through ELS often came with dates and locations. Now, tell me that dates and locations are the only thing that can be interpreted from Hebrew to another language.

#2...What does the bible I read have to do with them running ELS on the ORIGINAL HEBREW Torah? Nothing. King James translated the bible to honor HIMSELF. That is only ONE version out of many english translations of the original Hebrew. Acutally, few people read the King James' Version anymore. Most people I know read the NIV version or the New KJV, which eliminates the "old english" style of writing.


#3...Bible codes have been proven to exist through the use of ELS by mathematicians, physicists, scholars, and even Sir Isaac Newton himself--who theorized they existed but couldn't prove it without the assistance of computers. Bible codes are real. We know that. Now, what they mean can be debated until the cows come home. So, I'll pose the question to you that I posed to NOS. Are you, Apexx, telling me that you're smarter than Isaac Newton who not only said Bible Codes exist, but dedicated MOST of his writings to bible prophesies.


#4...The original text in the Torah is as pure as you can get. These scholars and scientists who run ELS are often experts in Hebrew. The english translation of the bible is not used to run ELS.




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^^And that's the end of that.

BTW, I noticed you "conveniently" forgot to show where "Quantum Physicists" had any hand in any of this after I called you on your bullshit. You think I forgot?

Ironic that you want to champion the validity of Science when it enforces something you want to believe, but as soon as it shows that something that you believe could not be possible, you flip into "oh man, Science dosen't know anything!!"


Make up your your lie already.

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why dont u practice what u preach n stop takin it up the ass

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through time books where copied by hand... some things where translated wrong when copied... jesus prolly was a person but a messiah i highly doubt

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Bro...the scholars doing this research are experts in Hebrew. Again, ELS is performed on the ancient Hebrew text, not the English translations.

Also, the skeptics who have run ELS on english written books, some of which have nothing to do with religion, have come up with gibberish or random words sparingly. This is comparing apples to BOATS when it comes to Bible Codes. The bible codes give names and circumstances that History has proven correct. One of the most out-spoken critics of ELS, Thomas somebody, ran a duplicate experiment on the book "War and Peace" and generated random words using his version of ELS. The problem was, he did not use the technique that has generated codes found in multiple texts throughout the torah.


Simply put, bible codes are too complex to exist through chance. And, the original Hebrew text has not been manipulated.

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