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There are things some people consider "deep" than I think are mundane, and maybe vice versa. It's all subjective. It all depends on your education and experiences.

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true, but why internalize it? Its like if someone was rapping about Rocket Science. The heneral concensus is gonna say "this is deep" but a rocket scientist is gonna say it's mundane.


guess how it's gonna end up being classified.

Deep.

Just cuz the rocket scientist comes out and says it mundane isn't gonna make everyone else say it's not "Deep Music".

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Rap and Hip Hop are not the same. far from it. And Cho's right on the money, with so many watered down commercial giants claiming that they're hip hop, it's lost virtually all meaning so you've got a generation of listeners who think they're one in the same.

it's like shades of gray that are labeled "black" but none of them are.

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But rap is hip hop. how can people seperate the two.. hip hop purist vs rappers? no such thing should have even been developed no matter how intellectual and deep one is with hip hop or not. Graffers=Hip hop,DJ's=Hip Hop,Bboys-Girls=hip hop..so why is certain rap NOT being considered hip hop just because of lyrical content or just because of the lack of impact in the hip hop community??..its still rap. which is part of hip hop. which in fact would mean rap is hip hop..hip hop is the movement and culture.

Rap is NOT Hip Hop. You just hit on the main point and didn't realize it, Rap is UNDER Hip Hop, it's an off-shoot of Hip Hop, rap is not "Hip Hop". When I say "Hip Hop" I mean Hip Hop MUSIC. The MUSIC that fuels all those other movements like grafitti and b-boying, scratching, etc which are not music at all. Hip Hop is the music they revolve around. Rap is the commercialized clone of Hip Hop.


Hip Hop has nothing to do with: Intellect, lyrical ability, public impact, etc. That's the point. Hip Hop is not about status. Rap is all about status. "look at what I got, look at me, I get all the bitches I'm thugged out!!" that's the image. Hip Hop is not about an image.

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It's everybodys own opinion on what you think.
As for me I'd rather be a mainstream getting crunk with lil' Jon.
YEAYAA!!!

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okay but you say hip hop music...what is hip hop music....i thought it was rap.right? so how can u say its a commercialized clone of hip hop when hip hop music IS rap. its not country its not pop. Hip hop music IS rap. Hip Hop Culture is the music/Rap. and the rest of the 3 elements that are included.

once agian rap is not hip hop and hip hop is not rap. To even say that you're spreading mis-information like woah.

You may not know this but "Hip Hop" existed long before "rap", before there was even a term called "rap" or people called "rappers". The music they created was rhymed over a beat with a heavy bassline. It became the voice of the urbanite and grew into a unique form of music that reached out from the hoods and ghettos.

Once Big Business discovered that HipHop is profitable, they invented "Rap". Rap is a form of music that uses elements of Hip Hop (like heavy basslines and spoken in rhyme) to promote an image that you buy into, mostly for escapism. To "take your mind off of reality and let you live the fantasy" of the cars, houses, jewelry, women, clubs, money and everything else the urbanite dreamed of. What ever it was, the rapper would claim to embody and he'd paint the picture of a person who's life is "larger than life". You got a young inner city kid without a father figure - this rappers false reality makes him that boys hood-hero. The "rapper" was a living product you used to escape your reality. A human drug. Big business's organic source of revenue.

Fastforward to today where "rappers" have pushed hip hop out of its position, they're all backed by Big Business in the form of "major labels" and they're still selling the image of escapism. This time around, they're not just a living product, they're franchizes; clothes, shoes, t-shirts, cologne, perfume, and anything else they can stick their likeness on and sell.

It's been this way since the late 80's, so sorry to say but anyone who didn't have the opportunity to listen to hip hop back then have been pumped full of "rap" and it's actors who want to validate the product...errr......"prove their real"... by saying any and everything to make you believe it, like they're about hip hop and that they're really street and lived a tough life and all this other stuff. It's not real. all manufactured.


PS, though bigge is far form the only one, even Bigge's mom said he lied in Juicy saying he grew up poor. He lied about his entire history. They were middle class and lived in a 2 bedroom house, not a 'one bedroom shack'. She says "look at how heavy bigge was, he was always a chubby kid almost all his life. you don't get that chubby by not being well-fed".

similar type story for Ice Cube, Onyx, and whole host of other "rappers".

Just part of the image.

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Oh yeah, don't let this put you under the impression that everyone who raps is fake, there are many real emcees who actually live the life they say they do and there are countless emcees who speak reality. Just understand that the gross majority of what you hear is not real. Nearly everything you hear on the radio is not true.

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Whats Wrong With All Of You Is That You Think Hip Hop Is Your Opinion
Hip Hop Is Not Rap Nor Is It A Opinion,

Hip Hop Is Culture Hip Hop Is A Way Of Life!!!!

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no one ever said hip hop was an opinion. i know its not an opinion.
and for you to say d4L isnt hip hop but then say hip hop is a way of life thats contridicting yourself. who are you to say the life that d4l potray isnt hip hop? its sure as hell isnt a Gothic lifestyle or Emo lifesytle. just because you people think certain artists arent up to par or perfect role models for hip hop u strip them from being hip hop..



and last i still say and So has a bunch of other artists...


Hip Hop consists of 4 elements..we arent talking about the past..what it is NOW.

Rapping
DJ'n
Breaking
Graffing


If i am correct having anything to do with these four elements..OR even having a understanding and respect and love for any of these for elements would make you hip hop. RnB singers are also influenced by the hip hop community although they dont take part in any of the elements..THEY in fact still lead a hip hop lifestyle.

so its you live a hip hop lifestyle...and you take part in the hip hop culture that makes you hip hop.


and lockness..what is fake or real hip hop?

that statement just screams that your knocking talent just because its not your taste

any whack artist in the industry that you might not like is there for a reason. because they have a creative way of delivering the shit they put out. just because YOU dont like it doesnt mean someone else doesnt. thats when YOUR opinion steps in and trys to speak up for actual facts.

someone saying lyricism makes a person deep must be a real slow learner. that makes no sense what so ever.


I've never seen someoen say N was deep nor lyrical, and definitely not "deep because he's lyrical" so I can't speak on that. take it up with who ever you're saying said it.

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^^exactly. He's super lyrical, but not at all deep.

anyone saying "lyrcal" = "deep" is a moron grasping at the english language.



tell em Apexx said it!

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fake hip hop: anyone who claims to be about the culture, origins, and history of our music, but aren't. They profit by telling you stories to make you think they're genuine in order to add credibility to their own name and dollars to their own pocket.

merk not for nada but I think at this point in the game one would have to wipe their slate clean as to what they see "hiphop" as seeing that the media sources that told you what "hip hop" is the same corporations raking in billions off of the image they created which they want you to believe is real. This reminds me of the book Simulacra and Simulacrum which basically states that the simulation has replaced the original. Synthetic has taken the role that Authentic once had. Perfect analogy for Rap and Hip Hop.

Unless someone witnessed the rise and peak of hip hop, the concious awareness of the era hip hop was born and thrived in, the drive of the hip hop artist for expression of a black voice in music, you'd lose the connection without this prior knowledge. Some things are intangible and can't be expressed with words.

Imagine for a minute that you became sick and a robot was created in your exact likeness to exist in your place. It has polished renditions of mannerisms that people found favorable in you, it looks like you, talks feels and smells like you, hell, it even says it is you! but it lacks the texture of personality that you have. the soul deep within. when it smiles...you look at it and you know it's not real. designed to look real, but deep down you know you're peering into the surface of a machine. It would be hard for someone that knew the original you to have that same love for a mechanized replica of you, and even harder to explain the difference to someone who never knew you.

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