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Old 05-24-06, 08:36 AM   #1
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Put it this way. What was done to rock-n-roll might be done to rap. The difference is, rap's very nature stems from a culture far removed from the white majority--i.e., the 'hood'. Therefore, I don't expect to see a take over in rap like was done in rock-n-roll. The stereotypes are then encouraged and perpetuated because it sells. I told you. People are drawn to two things: beauty and wrecks. Beauty doesn't reflect the gritty "ghetto" life image. So, that leaves only one alternative, a wreck.








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Old 05-24-06, 09:33 AM   #2
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Yeah but fucken...........What are you going on about the q....


Your a tripper man...
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Old 05-24-06, 09:57 AM   #3
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Yeah but fucken...........What are you going on about the q....


Your a tripper man...



tripper? yea...sure

What a surprise.


Rap is about $$$$$$


White people own the majority of the vehicles that push rap. That means more white people control the $$$$$$$


Racism isn't an illusion. Therefore, when you have whites controlling the $$$$$$, but minorities putting in the work, racism is inevitable.


All we have to do is look at history to prove that.
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Old 05-24-06, 09:58 AM   #4
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Well word man.. White people own the $$$$$...

So what the fuck are you gonna do about it?
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Old 05-24-06, 10:03 AM   #5
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Well word man.. White people own the $$$$$...

So what the fuck are you gonna do about it?



umm...rob them







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niet...do the best thing I can, educate myself and others
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Old 05-24-06, 10:10 AM   #6
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So yourself and others are educated...

Still

What the fuck are you gonna do about it?

I mean... I'll stick up for it.... But its kind of racist that you say white people own the cash full stop... Cause it aint like all white people are riding on that easy golden highway getting riches..

When push comes to shove.. Most white people are in the same boat as black people... Its the actual government and corperation owners that are actually making pay out of this..


So why dont you cats say "corperation owners" instead of acting like its all white people against all black people..................
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Old 05-24-06, 10:13 AM   #7
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So yourself and others are educated...

Still

What the fuck are you gonna do about it?

I mean... I'll stick up for it.... But its kind of racist that you say white people own the cash full stop... Cause it aint like all white people are riding on that easy golden highway getting riches..

When push comes to shove.. Most white people are in the same boat as black people... Its the actual government and corperation owners that are actually making pay out of this..


So why dont you cats say "corperation owners" instead of acting like its all white people against all black people..................



you cats = you people?

Bro...I'm not as adamant about this discussion as you...I just dropped my 2 cents...I see that you're bored and want to have a discussion...that's cool...

But umm...regardless of how many "common folk" don't own the industry, the fact remains that the people who do are mostly white.

Take that for what it is.


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Old 05-24-06, 10:17 AM   #8
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you cats = you people?

Bro...I'm not as adamant about this discussion as you...I just dropped my 2 cents...I see that you're bored and want to have a discussion...that's cool...

But umm...regardless of how many "common folk" don't own the industry, the fact remains that the people who do are mostly white.

Take that for what it is.


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Yeah what it is is that corperation owners are the ones cashing out of this...

Whether they are white or black is irrelevant in the long run..

This is what people (white AND black) have to realise is that we are all a part of the general public and all rules apply to us... I could care less if a white man or a black man is in charge... Cause at the end of the day, they are still just the ones in charge...

And that my friend is the answer to racism... Problem is, nobody will pick that view up... Cause their too stuck up on being patriotic about their race to realise were all just spawn of the same planet and our differences are all just pety and minute...
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Old 05-24-06, 10:34 AM   #9
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Yeah what it is is that corperation owners are the ones cashing out of this...

Whether they are white or black is irrelevant in the long run..

This is what people (white AND black) have to realise is that we are all a part of the general public and all rules apply to us... I could care less if a white man or a black man is in charge... Cause at the end of the day, they are still just the ones in charge...

And that my friend is the answer to racism... Problem is, nobody will pick that view up... Cause their too stuck up on being patriotic about their race to realise were all just spawn of the same planet and our differences are all just pety and minute...




Ok...enough with the idealism...Now, let's come back down to earth. Bro, in America, up to 40 years ago, blacks couldn't even VOTE in some areas of the country without fear of being lynched and strung up a tree. So, all this "we are the world" crap is moot. The facts are these:

1. White own most shit
2. Blacks/minorities created most of the music whites now "own"
3. Whites, in America, have often used their position of power to enslave and/or beat the black man down
4. Black people can, and will, own more shit in the future. But, that's going to take time.


Remember, less than 100 years ago, blacks were still being hung from trees. We're making progress.

That's why I admire black entrepreneurs like Oprah and Bob Johnson.

^^We need more examples like that.
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Old 05-24-06, 10:38 AM   #10
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Ok...enough with the idealism...Now, let's come back down to earth. Bro, in America, up to 40 years ago, blacks couldn't even VOTE in some areas of the country without fear of being lynched and strung up a tree. So, all this "we are the world" crap is moot. The facts are these:

1. White own most shit
2. Blacks/minorities created most of the music whites now "own"
3. Whites, in America, have often used their position of power to enslave and/or beat the black man down
4. Black people can, and will, own more shit in the future. But, that's going to take time.


Remember, less than 100 years ago, blacks were still being hung from trees. We're making progress.

That's why I admire black entrepreneurs like Oprah and Bob Johnson.

^^We need more examples like that.

And so the fuck what?


You think the average poor white man is cashing out of this?

Fuck no....

Your sticking to views that black people and white people are in a contest with eachother when in reality, were both just victem to the world we live in...

And thats where you realise its not ideamism I'm speaking.. Its fucking reality...

Its just a reality the world isnt ready for yet...
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Old 05-24-06, 10:19 AM   #11
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you cats = you people?

Bro...I'm not as adamant about this discussion as you...I just dropped my 2 cents...I see that you're bored and want to have a discussion...that's cool...

But umm...regardless of how many "common folk" don't own the industry, the fact remains that the people who do are mostly white.

Take that for what it is.


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what i don't understand is why if black people are angry/upset or racially offended that white people are earning money then why not actually get a black man to step up and do what the "white corporate owner" does...

it's all good sitting here bitching that white people are making money but "black" people should perhaps actually take this route instead of being used as a corporate money making device...it's not hard...and i'm sure if a black figure head was a big name in HIP HOP...people WOULD pay attention

it's a simple case of "i'll moan but i'll let someone else make the move" routine
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Old 05-24-06, 10:30 AM   #12
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what i don't understand is why if black people are angry/upset or racially offended that white people are earning money then why not actually get a black man to step up and do what the "white corporate owner" does...

it's all good sitting here bitching that white people are making money but "black" people should perhaps actually take this route instead of being used as a corporate money making device...it's not hard...and i'm sure if a black figure head was a big name in HIP HOP...people WOULD pay attention

it's a simple case of "i'll moan but i'll let someone else make the move" routine



Who is bitching?...I'm not a CEO. I do my thing on my level. I'm college educated. And, I make at least 5 times the minimum wage. I'm stating a fact. And, that fact is, that more whites are in positions of power in the industry (and most industries) than blacks.

Do you honestly think that's simply because blacks are "lazy" and aren't "trying" hard enough?

Bro...Those are gross misrepresentations and stereotypes...

Have you ever heard of a glass ceiling?


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Old 05-24-06, 10:37 AM   #13
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Who is bitching?...I'm not a CEO. I do my thing on my level. I'm college educated. And, I make at least 5 times the minimum wage. I'm stating a fact. And, that fact is, that more whites are in positions of people in the industry (and most industries) than blacks.

Do you honestly think that's simply because blacks are "lazy" and aren't "trying" hard enough?

Bro...Those are gross misrepresentations and stereotypes...

Have you ever heard of a glass ceiling?


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good for you...i'm not hating on anyone who does their thing...clap clap...but what i'm sayin is instead of sittin here complaining sayin "oh more white people are CEO's" why not actually try and BE one yourself...

and if you chose not to...then you gotta ask yaself...do most people who are black feel the same as you...this is really something that isn't contributing to any problem...

and i never said black people are lazy Q....being a CEO certainly isn't on one of my lists and i don't see why it should be for anyone else black or white to even up the numbers....

like i said it's more than jus about colour...
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Q earns more than me...should i make a thread sayin a black man's earning more than a white guy?

no...because it's not about that...and i don't see why the majority of owners being one colour has anything to do with anything...

thats my view...these people didn't get into the music industry to be racist...they are business owners thinking about making money...that's all...black or white...they're all in it for one thing...so lets drop this already
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Old 05-24-06, 10:46 AM   #15
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Q earns more than me...should i make a thread sayin a black man's earning more than a white guy?

no...because it's not about that...and i don't see why the majority of owners being one colour has anything to do with anything...

thats my view...these people didn't get into the music industry to be racist...they are business owners thinking about making money...that's all...black or white...they're all in it for one thing...so lets drop this already



You need to come to America and study the history of racism. You need to talk to 70-80 year old blacks who lived during a time where they couldn't even DRINK from the same water fountain as whites.

^^That, my friend, IS ABOUT SKIN COLOR. And, just because it's 2006 doesn't mean that those feelings of bitterness have completely dissipated. They haven't. It's just in a new form now, institutionalized racism.


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