It makes me a bit skeptical then...

Sounds like something they just slotted in there in the middle ages to make the church richer, instead of a real thing. "Give us 10% of your income, and you'll be rich!"... That accompanied by "Do what we say or you'll be damned into hell for an existence of eternal pain and suffering" is an effective mix.

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fuck that

my baby's mum already gets 15% of my wages a week...

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^^What you have to understand Tero is this. Tithing is a PRINCIPLE of Sowing and Reaping. The principle of Sowing and Reaping can be applied to EVERY aspect f life. If you want mercy, then GIVE mercy. If you want love, then GIVE love. If you want someone to listen to you, then LISTEN to them. Basically, whatever you want, you have to GIVE! Tithes and offerings are no different. In order to receive financial blessings, you have to GIVE a blessing. Furthermore, God even ONE UPS us on this one. He says in the bible that not only will he MATCH your giving, but that He'll give you SO MUCH in return, that you won't have room enough to receive it.

Come on bro...I know from experience that this is true. And, tithes belong to God anyway. He even goes as far as to say that if you withhold your tithes, that's the equivalent of ROBBING God.

Will a man rob God?

Ha

Come on bro!

How can you rob an all powerful, transcendant, omnipotent force of anything?

Isnt God the money? Isnt God everything that exists? Isnt God everywhere? Doesnt everything "belong" to God anyway, despite moving it from place to place?

I don't disagree with the principle of sowing and reaping. But right now you just look a whole lot like that rich guy who gave the temple a large sum of money, and received praise among men, but was showed up by that poor woman, who received praise from Jesus.

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^^That's EXACTLY the point! You can't! God is asking a rhetorical question which, if you're read the bible, you find He asks ALL the time. God challenges us in the scripture by saying, 'WILL a man ROB GOD?" The fact that God requires a tithe from us and our unwillingness to give it is the equivalent of "robbing" God because He says the top 10 belongs to HIM and HIM alone.

Rich guy who gave the temple a lot of money? LOL...Actually, I'm far from WEALTHY, yet. I'm citing the FACTS of what I know from example and what the scripture says. I'm telling you that there are certain principles that WORK when you WORK them, including sowing and reaping. I am boasting in God because I know He's faithful and true to his work.

Look:

In the gosepl of Luke chapter 6, Jesus saysm and I'm paraphrasing here, "Give and it shall be given to you. Shaken down, pressed together, and running over shall men give into your bosom." When we get up off our money and give like we're supposed to, God not only returns what we give, but also MULTIPLIES it MULTIPLE times over! You'll find that people just WANT to keep blessing YOU and YOU KEEP blessing them and others!

See, this thing is universal and quite clear. If you WANT to be blessed, GIVE!

^^Tero, I'm challenging those who constantly LACK and claim they don't believe in giving.


Tiz all

P.S. That scripture in Luke 6 is so real man. I've experienced it so many times in the last 3-4 weeks. Just last night a perfect stranger paid for my food when I was at the chinese restaurant. I didn't have enough ON ME at the time and they just offered. Granted, I have money in the bank and a credit card in my pocket. A few days prior, I had forgotten my wallet when I went to the golf course. Instead of turning me away, one of the workers there paid for my round through their account. Then, a week ago, a friend paid my cell phone bill for me, and I DIDN'T even ask!

^^"...Shall men give into your bosom."

^^And that stuff is NOTHING! I give because it's fun to see people happy. I'm just bringing light to a principle that we often overlook.



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why does God require money from us in specific?

that sounds like a crock drummed up by the people who wrote the bible to get a bit of money in their pocket on the sly...well thas IMO but do what you want...

i woulda thought all God would want is belief and faith in his existence and whatnot

and that is beyond material things such as money is it not???

Yeah Q, I see what you mean.

But you know, maybe it just works for you because you do it in good faith and for good reason. I think that if somebody sows seeds filled with greed and desire for money, no matter how much they give, things won't turn out the way they want.

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God doesn't need our money. But, other PEOPLE do. That's why if you read the context of Malachi 3, it says, "...so there will be meat in MY HOUSE." IN other words, God wants us to give so that His people, including YOU, will have everything they need.

It's all about sowing and reaping.


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may i ask u is it impossible that sum1 cud hav entered a few lines into the bible that was not "guided by god"?

I find it amazing that any scripture that challenges us to sacrifice isn't applicable to us now, either because it's antiquated or plain erroneous. That's funny. I don't see people challenging the parts where God promises to bless us. Hmm...that's okay?


The answer is no. And, that's because Christians believe that ALL scripture was divinely inspired.

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HOW THE FUCK is that the best savings and investment plan?

Generally speaking, giving away your money isn't the best way to save it. What the fuck are you talking about?

Or you could like...give 10% of your income to charity instead of the church. I mean, if it's God's money, and He wants you to share it with His people, then give it to people who need it more than a church potentially requires candelabrum so they can maintain the smell of incense...Seriously, don't you think tithing to single mothers working a min. wage job and struggling to survive even though her predicament is not her fault doesn't need that juicy 10% more than your church? Why does God want it to go to the church? Wouldn't you be saving the single mother in a sense that she can believe even in the darkness there are true people and true christians willing to help those in need? But instead you give money so kids that already believe in God get their Bible classes?

ill challenge it all

and i know wat christians believe but im not askin wat a faith and its followers believe im askin u even tho u believe that it is all divinely inspired that sum1 not inspired by god cud hav entered a few lines into the bible?? by answering yes u are not challenging god, his beliefs or his teachings, im not askin do u beleive this is the case im askin to u believe if it is possible?

no no no...The requirement is explicit. A tithe is to be given to God's "storehouse", which is your church. He also wants us to give to charities and other people as well. But, that's charity or an offering.

Also, don't get this twisted. Refusing to pay your tithes when you know to do so will lead to a curse. In fact, the scripture goes one more and says, "God will curse you WITH a curse." <------That's because hoarding your money is a violation of God's law. Giving is a principle. Tithing is a requirement. God does not compromise on that one.

As far as "tithing" to a single mother is concerned, THEY DON'T DESERVE MY TITHE. That belongs to God and Him alone. And, he says He will "...not share my glory with another." Now, GIVING an offering to a single mother is another thing. If there's one way to displease God it's to be blessed BY HIM, but not give 10% BACK to him.



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