Yeah like those god damn people who sit in chairs backwards. Spreading their legs, them motherfucking devils may the burn in eternal fire >:0 And I agree with maddog not everyone can cope with it, alot of times it leads to self loathing, guilt, and eventually suicide.

he knows everything man...if he didn't know what path we'd chose then him being an "all knowng God" would be perhaps the biggest hypocritical thing i've ever heard...God doesn't make our choices for us...but thats coz he already knows what our decisions to every minor/major thing will be...that means he already laid out a path for us to FOLLOW. Not chose...

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he's "all knownin" in the sense that he knows what we are thinking..thats how he knows what we are goign to do...BuT! the decision is still on us....

see the difference??

maybe i'm not good at getting certain points across...

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^if we're following a path then there would be no point of our lives, according to you, you dont make choices and learn from them, you just go through what god intended you to go through...which is bullshit imo, a murdering rapist didnt "choose" to be a murdering rapist...he just follows that path that god created for him? sure...

imo god knows the path we go AFTER we choose it, he doesnt know the choices we're going to make, in my opinion atleast, thats the true definition of free will which is what he apparently gave to us

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yeah man i can see your point...but the thing is God isn't in our realm of thought...he's outside time and reality in a place called Heaven...he can look as far back or a far forward as he wants to...he knows every choice we have made and will make...he knows the destiny of people here now, and people who haven't been born yet...

i aint a bible basher either so dont ask me to quote the bible lol...but i'm making these statements because of questions i have asked about religion...

but to the thread in hand...some are gonna criticise this work just like they have stem cell research and genetically modified crops...there are risks and complications to advancing Science...but if we dont take these risks, how will we ever know?

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1) dont get it twisted...im not saying God is the direct reason as to why we're not in control of the path we follow...but he knows the path that we will FOLLOW in our life time...

2) Then you're claiming that God is not all knowing...

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how can he see it to a futre that doesn't exist?

if the choices for the future were not made?

i'm not a bible basher, or a bible humper as well...i dont go to church, i simply question things until an answer appears like Socrates...

i think the bible is a skewed representation of what it used to be..

i think that there is a god...but not the way the bible dipicts him...

a simple god, knowing whats in your heart, n waying all the wrong you do agasint all the good we do...

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1) if god loved everything etc., wouldnt he help out the person who's going onto a murderous rampage path...not by giving him stupid "clues" that are almost impossible to tell, but by actually putting him on the right path...so the guy wouldnt go to "hell" and shit

2) i dont think he is, if you give a being true free-will and all that i think he gives away some of his power and shit into those beings, otherwise it wouldnt be free will anymore, but you can cancel all that out by saying we dont have free will and god knows every single thing we're gonna do...then that just brings it back to the original point that theres really no reason to live then if its like that, there would be no point in "being good" your whole life in hopes of getting into heaven since god already knows whether you will die good or bad

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Dude the idea that im putting across is that everything is pre-ordained...and it's a plan God created for us to follow...and like i said before, God isn't in our realm...he's outside time, and all the laws of relativity 'n' shit...he'd tell you who is gonna win the F.A Cup this season...or who's gonna win the superbowl in 10 years...Jesus' coming was destined...and as his apparant 2nd coming...we only live in the here and now because we're bound to this realm ya get me...we're mortal...God isn't...

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eh, i'll let this arguement go...

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if god knew everything and was perfect then nothing would exist

in order for god to create a universe he'd have to "want" to create it ...but isnt wanting something part of the human condition? its not something that belongs to a perfect entity, thats why i dont think god is perfect, i dont think ANYTHING can be perfect cuz perfection = nothing, imo, if there was perfection there would be no challenge no growth no creation or destruction it would forever always be non-existant

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Yeah, but isn't it also Gods idea not to get involved in our lives...dont worry bro i question him as much as the next non-believer...it's a mind boggling confusing thing religion...but the way i see it you're given a path...you follow it you die...if you're good your whole life then yeah you should go to heaven as thats the path that was chosen for you...as is if you went on a murderous rampage, you'd go to hell...

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THAT is a very good point

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i still believe in a god and everything i just dont think he's what the bible makes him out to be, cuz then he wouldnt have a sense of humor he wouldnt be "good" or somethin cuz thats all human-type things

plus too many things seem to be so perfectly aligned in the universe that it seems too coincidental to be from one big explosion =/

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